[Pauldo]

I would never have been as hard on Abe if he wasn't becoming a doctor.  He'll meet a lot smarter and meaner people than me in his career.

i think he'll be fine. don't make excuse out of it for just being an asshole  :-*

you're clueless Machi!

[justin]

Aww, thanks Abe. I didn't expect to be on this list. I'm sorry I don't contribute more to these forums, I just simply don't have the energy. I just want to say I don't think you need therapy at all and I'm continually let down by how negatively people react to your posts, although it's to be expected. I went through the same thing and eventually gave up. Do the world a favor and never start working 40 hours a week.

“Only the madman is absolutely sure” – Robert Anton Wilson

[Machi]

I would never have been as hard on Abe if he wasn't becoming a doctor.  He'll meet a lot smarter and meaner people than me in his career.

i think he'll be fine. don't make excuse out of it for just being an asshole  :-*

you're clueless Machi!

maybe I am but also messing with you hence  :-*

[PookztA]

Nick: I don't ever recall saying 'Fuck You' to Basilisk, or anyone in this forum. However, I have seen Phil say Fuck You to at least one person (Machi), and I have heard you say some very offensive insults as well, so maybe you two could call each other out for being so disrespectful, instead of bashing me in this thread I created to bring some positive energy to the forum? If I ever said 'Fuck You' to anyone in this forum, it would be to you, because in my honest opinion, your attitude makes the Psytrance community, and Mindoutpsyde, appear very immature, very un-evolved, and very egoistic. I won't go into detail about my unhappiness with you, but I just am blown away by how quickly and vigorously you can devote energy to criticizing and insulting me. Regardless of how much you anger me, I still don't see it being productive to tell someone “Fuck You”, so unless you have proof that I said that to someone in this forum, please stop putting words in my mouth.

Justin: Thanks bro 🙂 and you are welcome!

Basilisk: Don't accept the complement, that is fine, it's not my loss. If you knew me better, you might understand my intentions behind this post. I was trying to bring some Peace and Positivity to the forum by genuinely thinking of things I appreciate about many of the posters here, because things were getting out of hand. If you don't want to accept my complement, I am not going to cry about it.

Kevin: Thanks bro, you are welcome, and good points. I now realize that by acting on my emotions, I was being just as immature as Nick was by making a public post about him, as he did of me. I should have either ignored it, or messaged him about it in private. Good call. Sometimes I am not as good at controlling my emotions as other times.

Pauldo: I do appreciate your critiquing and your watching out for me. Especially because after I accepted the evidence-based truth about a certain event in September of 2001, I became very paranoid and very gullible, because I started to think “what else don't I know and what else have I been lied to about?!” It took tons and tons of evidence for me to finally accept the truth about that event, but once I did, I became very gullible indeed. Even though my beliefs regarding the September event are evidence-based, my belief in other things early on were not. Things like when I considered it very likely that HIV was created for population reduction, based on viewing only one video, which was one of the first things I ever posted here after I learned what I did about the September event. I still do believe that it's possible that HIV was created for this purpose, but the lack of evidence leaves me unconvinced. Thanks to you, I learned the hard way, and I slowly became more and more meticulous and skeptical when confronting various 'conspiracy theories'. Although your insults and name calling were very unhelpful and very unnecessary, your critiquing and fact-checking really helped me get out of my paranoid state of mind and get back on track with my skepticism and evidence-based logic. Thanks for helping me become more logical and more scientific. Please go easy on the insults from now on, for they are not helpful, and they do sometimes hurt, regardless of whether I show it or not.

Machi: good call bro, thanks for sticking up for me. Pauldo being an asshole did not help in anyway, because my Dad is the biggest asshole I know so I have had plenty of experience with that already. Although Pauldo's fact-checking and critiquing did help, his insults did not, so thanks for pointing that out to him.

P.S. – I love how some people still say that my B.S. detector is not functioning. They are stating this as a fact, not as a possibility. But is it a fact? Is it an evidence-based statement? Do you have proof that I am wrong about things like the lies surrounding 9/11, and the reality of The Hutchison Effect? Obviously you don't, which does not mean that I am right, but it does mean that you are wrong for stating that my B.S. detector is not working, as if that is a fact, without any proof. Please provide proof that I am wrong, or that my B.S. detector has not been working over the last 6 months. Also, please do not get confused by thinking that I am trying to convince you that I am right. I am simply asking you to prove yourself right, which should be easily done if in fact my “B.S. detector is not working”. Email me at [email protected] with proof that I am wrong if you can find it. Thanks.  (the burden of proof is upon the person who is making the claim, so if you wish to convince me and others that my B.S. detector is not working, please provide recent evidence to back up that statement.) 🙂

[Ascension]

the christmas special they did was especially awesome. all those actors write for the show.

and of course, charlie is my favorite.

mac and dee are married in real life. weeeeird

So are charlie and the waitress. The waitress is also danny devito's daughter. CRAZY!

[aktif]

Nick: I don't ever recall saying 'Fuck You' to Basilisk, or anyone in this forum. However, I have seen Phil say Fuck You to at least one person (Machi), and I have heard you say some very offensive insults as well, so maybe you two could call each other out for being so disrespectful, instead of bashing me in this thread I created to bring some positive energy to the forum? If I ever said 'Fuck You' to anyone in this forum, it would be to you, because in my honest opinion, your attitude makes the Psytrance community, and Mindoutpsyde, appear very immature, very un-evolved, and very egoistic. I won't go into detail about my unhappiness with you, but I just am blown away by how quickly and vigorously you can devote energy to criticizing and insulting me. Regardless of how much you anger me, I still don't see it being productive to tell someone “Fuck You”, so unless you have proof that I said that to someone in this forum, please stop putting words in my mouth.

Justin: Thanks bro 🙂 and you are welcome!

Basilisk: Don't accept the complement, that is fine, it's not my loss. If you knew me better, you might understand my intentions behind this post. I was trying to bring some Peace and Positivity to the forum by genuinely thinking of things I appreciate about many of the posters here, because things were getting out of hand. If you don't want to accept my complement, I am not going to cry about it.

Kevin: Thanks bro, you are welcome, and good points. I now realize that by acting on my emotions, I was being just as immature as Nick was by making a public post about him, as he did of me. I should have either ignored it, or messaged him about it in private. Good call. Sometimes I am not as good at controlling my emotions as other times.

Pauldo: I do appreciate your critiquing and your watching out for me. Especially because after I accepted the evidence-based truth about a certain event in September of 2001, I became very paranoid and very gullible, because I started to think “what else don't I know and what else have I been lied to about?!” It took tons and tons of evidence for me to finally accept the truth about that event, but once I did, I became very gullible indeed. Even though my beliefs regarding the September event are evidence-based, my belief in other things early on were not. Things like when I considered it very likely that HIV was created for population reduction, based on viewing only one video, which was one of the first things I ever posted here after I learned what I did about the September event. I still do believe that it's possible that HIV was created for this purpose, but the lack of evidence leaves me unconvinced. Thanks to you, I learned the hard way, and I slowly became more and more meticulous and skeptical when confronting various 'conspiracy theories'. Although your insults and name calling were very unhelpful and very unnecessary, your critiquing and fact-checking really helped me get out of my paranoid state of mind and get back on track with my skepticism and evidence-based logic. Thanks for helping me become more logical and more scientific. Please go easy on the insults from now on, for they are not helpful, and they do sometimes hurt, regardless of whether I show it or not.

Machi: good call bro, thanks for sticking up for me. Pauldo being an asshole did not help in anyway, because my Dad is the biggest asshole I know so I have had plenty of experience with that already. Although Pauldo's fact-checking and critiquing did help, his insults did not, so thanks for pointing that out to him.

P.S. – I love how some people still say that my B.S. detector is not functioning. They are stating this as a fact, not as a possibility. But is it a fact? Is it an evidence-based statement? Do you have proof that I am wrong about things like the lies surrounding 9/11, and the reality of The Hutchison Effect? Obviously you don't, which does not mean that I am right, but it does mean that you are wrong for stating that my B.S. detector is not working, as if that is a fact, without any proof. Please provide proof that I am wrong, or that my B.S. detector has not been working over the last 6 months. Also, please do not get confused by thinking that I am trying to convince you that I am right. I am simply asking you to prove yourself right, which should be easily done if in fact my “B.S. detector is not working”. Email me at [email protected] with proof that I am wrong if you can find it. Thanks.  (the burden of proof is upon the person who is making the claim, so if you wish to convince me and others that my B.S. detector is not working, please provide recent evidence to back up that statement.) 🙂

“in my honest opinion, your attitude makes the Psytrance community, and Mindoutpsyde, appear very immature, very un-evolved, and very egoistic.”

Oh yes Abe, here you go again.  Your the spitting image of maturity and INTELLIGENCE right?!  Very un-evolved, me?!!  Abe, if evolution meant becoming a gullible wide-eyed dumbass then please, stay evolved.

the “fuck you” thing was an example…duh…”I'm not gullible”…AAand here you go with the 'I didn't do it, but LOOK WHAT HE DID DAD'.  Were you known as a tattle tale as a kid, I bet you were.

The way I act to my close personal friends (most of whom are ADULTS) on an internet forum is a direct correlation to my maturity level????  No wonder you have whole threads dedicated to your ignorance and general non-understanding of it all.

Not pointing any fingers but I was certainly not the reason that almost all MOP members want nothing to do with MOP any longer.  Not me that got resignation messages in my inbox from people saying it's you pushing YOUR agendas and your ego filled ways that makes them want no part of mop any longer.  Ummmm…check yourself here.  Me being a REAL PERSON has NEVER hurt this community or MOP.  Sorry Abe, your gonna have to go tell on me somewhere else, mom doesn't care and dad just told you to GTFO.

Again, pretty pathetic attempts at public disgrace. 

[PookztA]

Oh yes Abe, here you go again.  Your the spitting image of maturity and INTELLIGENCE right?!  Very un-evolved, me?!!  Abe, if evolution meant becoming a gullible wide-eyed dumbass then please, stay evolved.

the “fuck you” thing was an example…duh…”I'm not gullible”…AAand here you go with the 'I didn't do it, but LOOK WHAT HE DID DAD'.  Were you known as a tattle tale as a kid, I bet you were.

The way I act to my close personal friends (most of whom are ADULTS) on an internet forum is a direct correlation to my maturity level????  No wonder you have whole threads dedicated to your ignorance and general non-understanding of it all.

Not pointing any fingers but I was certainly not the reason that almost all MOP members want nothing to do with MOP any longer.  Not me that got resignation messages in my inbox from people saying it's you pushing YOUR agendas and your ego filled ways that makes them want no part of mop any longer.  Ummmm…check yourself here.  Me being a REAL PERSON has NEVER hurt this community or MOP.  Sorry Abe, your gonna have to go tell on me somewhere else, mom doesn't care and dad just told you to GTFO.

Again, pretty pathetic attempts at public disgrace.  

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me 🙂 (i think my mom taught me that one when I was younger)

I never said I am the Psytrance role model or whatever, I simply expressed my honest opinion that your insults, disrespect, cursing, and other things, do not represent the values found in Psytrance Events that well. [edit: when I say 'the values found in Psytrance Events', I am referring to the values I have observed in Chilluminati Events, Gemini, MountainVisionPsytrance Events, ATLPsy Events, and some others. I did not mean to imply that I know exactly what values are in every Psytrance event, so I wanted to clarify what types of events I am referring to.]  It was just my personal opinion, and it doesn't mean that much. I think you have some deeeeep personal issues with me guy. Perhaps you should just send me a giant flame email to get it all out at once?

I'm just pointing out that here I am, making a nice thread about you and others to try and bring more Peace into the forum, and in response, you are talking shit and disrespecting me. It is uncalled for, unnecessary, unproductive, and unwelcomed in the thread I created.

That was my only point.

Sorry I got you all riled up Nick,

-Abe

P.S. – I did not appreciate you equating my defensive statements towards Basilisk to “FUCK YOU DUMBASS”, because I never said any of those things to him. I believe the worse name I called him was a “troll” when he equated my evidence-based belief in The Hutchison Effect to a radical belief that the moon-landing was a hoax.

After all of Abe's personal attacks on my character this thread reads like some kind of desperate joke. I'm not buying it. You don't overwrite months of abuse and make amends by saying some nice things about someone.

“FUCK YOU DUMBASS”,

“I like your necklace though, it's nice”.

[edit: one more thing, the only person that “resigned” from MOP was Mike Dirks, because he did not want to be associated with the public drama between Chris and I. and he called and texted me to discuss it with me before he officially asked to be taken off the website. there was never “multiple resignations”, and the drama beween Chris and I is what inspired Mike's decision. ]

[Nameless One]

That's bullshit but I'm not about to search through the forums to prove that you've been a total dick to me for months.

[spycht]

[edit: one more thing, the only person that “resigned” from MOP was Mike Dirks, because he did not want to be associated with the public drama between Chris and I. and he called and texted me to discuss it with me before he officially asked to be taken off the website. there was never “multiple resignations”, and the drama beween Chris and I is what inspired Mike's decision. ]

I don't know if that is what Mike told YOU or if that is just what you remember, but you're only half right on that one Abe.
There WERE multiple resignations when both mike AND nick tried to bail.  The fact that there were any 'resignations' at all is ridiculous.
Everyone involved with Mindoutpsyde is very bothered by your behavior both months ago AND now.  Those that don't feel deeply negative about it are the ones that have distanced themselves from the situation.  We are all terrified by how much attention you are bringing to MOP and every other organization we care about.  If you truly believe everything you say you do then tell me why you don't believe that someone is reading every word we type or listening to every word we say?  This is a music organization.  It was meant to throw events promoting music.  We all joined up with that in mind.  When you decided to bring the organization into the 'professional' realm, started donating items and pronouncing the organization as a benefit to the world, and began posting huge amounts of very controversial material over the organizations webspace you added a whole list of things for people to be uncomfortable with.  Along with the way that you speak to everyone..  Why wouldn't you expect a massive backlash?  I don't mean to say that you tell people fuck you, but the way that you speak to everyone seems so pompous and arrogant that they can't help to react negatively.  You could be telling them they're receiving a lifetime supply of cash and they still would react the same way.  Then after continuing this you tell everyone that you love them and can't wait to stop with them.  Would you want someone that you felt was just talking down to you to tell you that you were their friend immediately afterwards?  I wouldn't.  But regardless of all this like I've told you before you're studying for a very important profession.  You are going to be operating on peoples brains.  Don't you think your patients deserve 100% of your efforts put towards studying?  Why are you wasting so much time on all of this?  You are always talking about how precious life is.  Don't you think distracting yourself with all of these negative things affecting the world and all of the negative things being thrown around on the forums is endangering your future patients lives?  I hate to take a trip back in time but you need to get with the program.
:-*<–Thats how it goes on here right?  I just need one of those?
How about a taco?  I've been meaning to ask.. do fajitas count?

[Machi]

^ well, I am not sure who you are Spycht and don't know what really happened in Iowa (just putting some puzzles together) but if everyone posted their views the way you did I think there would the whole lot less drama and disrespect at least on these very forums….well, I guess tacos for straightforward communication

[justin]

[zensphere]

[edit: one more thing, the only person that “resigned” from MOP was Mike Dirks, because he did not want to be associated with the public drama between Chris and I. and he called and texted me to discuss it with me before he officially asked to be taken off the website. there was never “multiple resignations”, and the drama beween Chris and I is what inspired Mike's decision. ]

I don't know if that is what Mike told YOU or if that is just what you remember, but you're only half right on that one Abe.
There WERE multiple resignations when both mike AND nick tried to bail.  The fact that there were any 'resignations' at all is ridiculous.
Everyone involved with Mindoutpsyde is very bothered by your behavior both months ago AND now.  Those that don't feel deeply negative about it are the ones that have distanced themselves from the situation.  We are all terrified by how much attention you are bringing to MOP and every other organization we care about.  If you truly believe everything you say you do then tell me why you don't believe that someone is reading every word we type or listening to every word we say?  This is a music organization.  It was meant to throw events promoting music.  We all joined up with that in mind.  When you decided to bring the organization into the 'professional' realm, started donating items and pronouncing the organization as a benefit to the world, and began posting huge amounts of very controversial material over the organizations webspace you added a whole list of things for people to be uncomfortable with.  Along with the way that you speak to everyone..  Why wouldn't you expect a massive backlash?  I don't mean to say that you tell people fuck you, but the way that you speak to everyone seems so pompous and arrogant that they can't help to react negatively.  You could be telling them they're receiving a lifetime supply of cash and they still would react the same way.  Then after continuing this you tell everyone that you love them and can't wait to stop with them.  Would you want someone that you felt was just talking down to you to tell you that you were their friend immediately afterwards?  I wouldn't.  But regardless of all this like I've told you before you're studying for a very important profession.  You are going to be operating on peoples brains.  Don't you think your patients deserve 100% of your efforts put towards studying?  Why are you wasting so much time on all of this?  You are always talking about how precious life is.  Don't you think distracting yourself with all of these negative things affecting the world and all of the negative things being thrown around on the forums is endangering your future patients lives?  I hate to take a trip back in time but you need to get with the program.
:-*<–Thats how it goes on here right?  I just need one of those?
How about a taco?  I've been meaning to ask.. do fajitas count?

I know I've been hesitant about affiliating myself with MOP (Abe asked me if I wanted to join the crew – which I totally appreciated, but I digress) because of all the conspiracy stuff… I mean, check this out:

http://mindoutpsyde.com/forums/index.php?board=9.0

I feel like it detracts from what MOP is/could be, but, again, I'm kind of a noob to this whole scene.

I have noticed that the MOP forum has basically died since the inundation of 9/11 stuff. I mean, it was never huge, but now it's like crickets in a field over there…

[AlienAudience]

[edit: one more thing, the only person that “resigned” from MOP was Mike Dirks, because he did not want to be associated with the public drama between Chris and I. and he called and texted me to discuss it with me before he officially asked to be taken off the website. there was never “multiple resignations”, and the drama beween Chris and I is what inspired Mike's decision. ]

Well that's certainly false. I was the first member of Mindoutpsyde that decided to resign on my own prerogative some time ago. Without going into too much detail I will say, quite frankly, you and the swift change that occurred prior to and with Chris' departure with your autocratic like authoritarian attitude and rule over decision making in MOP's inner-workings and how this complete about-face in group mechanics was a far-cry from how things were handled when Chris had the reigns were absolutely and solely the reason I decided to leave the collective.

I actually still have the discussion I had with you and separately with Chris asking to be removed from the group list and my mixes taken down, date-stamped and saved. To eliminate any potential confusion, it was most certainly a decision I made on my own for the aforementioned rationale ..and I have a few other members and friends who will testify to the fact that's exactly how things transpired (unfortunately). Since then I've been asked a number of times by Chris to join him and Ritesh in revamping and restarting MOP in Cali under different direction and control than in IA…something I'm seriously considering once being in Cali permanently in a few months.

On a related note, in the past few months I've had two different friends initiate a conversation about how they wanted to leave Mindoutpsyde because of you and things related to you. I won't disclose their names in the interest of anonymity but..they've both been mentioned in this thread already.

[AlienAudience]

I'd also like to say, I've made it a point, up until this juncture, to refrain from making this decision of mine public..or at least the reasoning behind it. Simply because I don't think it's the business of anyone else but those involved..but I am not going to allow you to say Mike was the first person to resign because it's just not true. Prior to following through with his resignation Mike actually messaged me on facebook and expressed his concern and distress about leaving the group but thought it was what he needed to do.

[PookztA]

Brent and Trevor:

Good points for the most part. I didn't mention Nick wanting to leave because he did not leave, plus, it seems obvious we are not getting along. Still, his frustration is not justification for his insults, and it is kind of sad that no one ever calls out Nick for being so insulting and disrespectful, yet I get called out because the information in my past posts raises concerns of others. I think insults and disrespect are worse than making informational posts, regardless of how controversial their content is in your opinion. (just my opinion)

I did forget about Trevor, because that was so long ago and it had nothing to do with 'conspiracy theories'. Trevor's resignation came about because he was arguing about my decision to bring Magic Lantern to Iowa because they cost $500, and after giving many reasons as to why I wanted them down there (to help break in Jerry's land with a more old-school, hippie-style visual crew, and other reasons), he still contested it, so when it came down to it, I said “well, I am the one paying for it, so there.” I guess I could have done a better job of trying to convince Trevor to trust me on that one, but I did have a lengthy discussion with him about why I had chosen to bring them down there, before resorting to that move. Had more than one person expressed to me that Magic Lantern was not the right choice, or that their $500 price was not going to be worth it, I probably would have listened. Also, Trevor came to Fractal Fields, and he apologized to me for not trusting in my decision to bring Magic Lantern. He said they were awesome and that he was sorry he had made a fuss about it.

You say authoritarian rule, but I truly feel like there is no such thing. I am nore more authoritarian than Chris was in my opinion, in fact, I am less, because I use the forum to ask people's input on things, like what artists to bring, what date to use for an event, what name to use for the party. Chris never did those things as far as I remember. Chris and Ritesh put together a majority of the website long ago without asking other people's views, Chris constantly booked DJs and Producers without asking others what they thought, Chris constantly booked visual artists without asking what others thought, Chris picked dates without asking others if the date sounded good, Chris came up with names to events without asking the group to vote on the names, etc. etc. etc. How do I know? I lived in the same building as him for 1 year, and I lived in the same house as him for another year after that.

Please provide evidence that my “leadership” with MOP is any more authoritarian than Chris's was, Trevor. You should provide proof and examples of that claim, and give me a chance to explain and defend myself. I honestly feel like I am more of a team player than Chris ever was, because I have used the forums to ask the group for input on events, more and more as time goes on, and I also have used Facebook to conduct group votes to make important decisions regarding the group. I also have used group text messaging to keep MOP members informed on what is up with venues and event planning, and to ask them for opinions on more urgent things that require more immediate responses. Chris never did any of those things, so I would like to know why you are claiming that I am somehow less democratic than Chris was.

Brent, very good point about my future patients. It is something I struggle with everyday. With topics like these, it is hard to ignore them. I often say “ok, I am just going to browse the forum while I eat quickly before I get back to studying…” and then it turns into a very long amount of time spent here, as I am doing right now. I studied far more at the beginning of the year, and I developed a lot of “cushion room” with my grades, so right now I am kind of coasting. I already am planning on studying for 5 hours a day during the summer, because I have to take the Step 1 board certification test one year from this summer. Going to get a jump start by reviewing all the material from this year, because there is by far too much to remember all of it on the first pass.

Sorry I don't have time to address everything but I have tests on Monday and I am trying to stay focused, even though I am failing right now.

In conclusion: I know I am a very confident person, and sometimes it comes off as cocky, but deep down I am very caring, and in addition, I do value the input of other MOP members, which is why I have been trying to use our forum as a place where group-planning can take place, and use Facebook as a means to conduct group voting on important decisions when they need to be made, and use group text messaging to keep the group informed and ask quick opinions of others. All of these democratic methods were never used by Chris, from what I remember, yet no one complained that he was authoritarian. I know because I was right there with him for 2 years. So please provide proof that I am some how less-democratic than Chris was, if that is what you are stating.

Thanks,

-Abe

[edit: changed 'was' to 'is']

[edit: bolded a few words before leaving to finally go study]

[edit: added the text below]

Also, I forgot to say Thanks to Trevor and Brent for expressing their views directly and maturely. Lke Machi said, this is healthy, and will help decrease tension. Thanks for expressing your views in a mature and respectful way.

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