[zensphere]

A cool little article about one of my favorite (unproven) cosmological theories: that big bang events are white holes and universes may be as common as black holes…

a quote from the article:

“if a black hole can form from the gravitational collapse of matter through an event horizon in the future then the reverse process is also possible. Such a process would describe an exploding white hole: matter emerging from an event horizon in the past, like the expanding universe.”

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-04/iu-oua040610.php

[psycherhexic]

but then.. what does god actually do?  😛

[zensphere]

To Napoleon on why his works on celestial mechanics make no mention of God: “Your Highness, I have no need of this hypothesis.”

Pierre Simon de Laplace (1749 – 1827)

what do you mean by “god”? ???

[Pauldo]

Yes, awesome topic Joseph.  It's been my new fav theory too since last summer when I was intro'ed to the concept at a talk given at Burning Man.  When I first heard about the universe-in-a-black-hole theory it was a “holy shit, that totally makes sense” moment.  We are living inside a black hole.  And that black hole exists in a universe above ours and that black hole is just one of many in that universe which also contain many black holes in the universes inside them to infinity.  Then going the opposite way on the scale all the black holes in our universe contain universes inside them below our universe to infinity.  Just one infinite scale in each direction and that's the nature of existence and it has always just been that way.  One infinite organic evolving process of black hole formation-big bang-new expanding universe.  Also a god/creator is not needed in such universes.  There is no original creator in an infinite, has always existed and will always exist structure.  We can finally get rid of god for good!  Total mind fuck!

[zensphere]

^Nice description, Pauldo! Yeah, I like how it proposes an understandable mechanism for big bang type events, and it makes sense that the singularity of the birth of our universe could come from the “other side” of the singularity of a black hole. Crazy fun stuff to ponder.

[Ascension]

Heh I read this on sciencedaily yesterday (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100406172648.htm).

It's interesting to combine this with what has been found in the WMAP project (more specifically that some data points to edges of our universe experiencing a gravitational pull from something outside their boundaries).

Although this would provide a more solid basis for some parts of the big bang theory I'm not totally convinced since the big bang model relies on vacuum energy being the main component of the initial expansion of the universe. Also, unless the path between the black hole and our universe was basically “clipped off” after the initial explosion we would still be having matter and information leaking between the 2 universes.

Overall though, being a believer in the multiverse theory this seems to question that notion since if we actually came out the ass end of a black hole we would have to share the same physical laws that govern the universe on the other side of it.

Very interesting topic overall, some of the most fun stuff to play devil's advocate to :).

[zensphere]

Yes. It is all interesting speculation.

Are you familiar with the idea from M-theory that our universe could have gotten it's start from the collision between two higher dimensional membranes?

Another interesting idea.

[Ascension]

Yes. It is all interesting speculation.

Are you familiar with the idea from M-theory that our universe could have gotten it's start from the collision between two higher dimensional membranes?

Another interesting idea.

Yep, that's what I was referring to (vacuum energy being what caused the motion of the membranes).

I'm putting my big bang theories on hold until the LHC data gets analyzed 🙂

[PookztA]

interesting theory and article. sounds very plausible, but definitely hope to see some real scientific studies look into this sometime. perhaps quantum physics will enable this hypothesis to be put to the test someday?

I have a question for you Joseph:

how do you think the first ever whitehole / blackhole would have began? any hypotheses?

[zensphere]

interesting theory and article. sounds very plausible, but definitely hope to see some real scientific studies look into this sometime. perhaps quantum physics will enable this hypothesis to be put to the test someday?

I have a question for you Joseph:

how do you think the first ever whitehole / blackhole would have began? any hypotheses?

Not that my speculation means very much… but we have to remember that time is a dimension and not necessarily linear. “First ever” implies a linear concept of time, which may or may not hold to reality. It is possible that the universe/multiverse is eternal. It is also possible that there is far more to reality beyond our current conception of physics.

I don't find any solace in supernatural agency, because it only confuses the issue (Naturalism is quite compelling) and raises more questions than it can answer.

Personally, I am comfortable in not knowing, although of course I would love to be able to comprehend the truth of reality.

I doubt the human mind is capable of rationally embracing absolute truth. I don't think we're adapted for it.

Symbolically, mysticism has some comfort to offer. Whether it's actually “true” is open to doubt.

[PookztA]

I agree on several points sir. stuff like that is fun to think about

[edais]

Not that my speculation means very much… but we have to remember that time is a dimension and not necessarily linear. “First ever” implies a linear concept of time, which may or may not hold to reality. It is possible that the universe/multiverse is eternal.

For sure, but at the very basic level, the fact the universe sprang to existence at some point makes me think that eventually it will cease to exist in the same manner, linearly or not.  But not necessarily I guess…

[zensphere]

nothing lasts forever. 😉

[Pauldo]

Another part of the theory that I heard is that there is a mini black hole at the center of every atom…then at the center of every sub-atomic particle…and entire universes inside of those miniature black holes…thus suggesting that we will forever find smaller and smaller sub atomic particles… to infinity.

[zensphere]

now that would be trippy.

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