[PookztA]

LOL. Of course I don't feel comfortable knowing that, Abe! There's a lot of stuff about our leaders and the way we do things that I don't feel comfortable about. I was just pointing out that these videos don't provide much evidence that secret societies fit into the big, big role that you feel they do.

You're welcome. I feel curious about it, I just haven't done research, and personally… I don't want to hear Alex Jones (for example) talk for that long.

Maybe I'll do some googling. 😉

ALEX JONES is a disinformist. he is there to confuse us and to turn us against our government. yes he speaks much truth but he never talks about the root of the problem. im just saying, please do not take his every word for it. he is just another information spreader, except he is funded by large corporations. just use your head and question everything. we are all smart people, capable of knowing right from wrong, good from evil, truth from false, so please just think for yourself and all will be good.

[Ascension]

The question I always ask people who get into these movies is: What are you gonna do about it? Does it really make a difference if you “know the truth” and don't do anything about it? How is that any different from not knowing and not doing anything?'

Just some things to ponder 🙂

throw Psytrance parties and burn the symbol of the corruption, the pyramid with the all-seeing eye…

many people said they developed a spiritual sense of the world at that event because it was so symbolic in restablishing their hope for humanity. this is my intention with all future Psy events i am a part of, is to help people to learn of this truth, then to use it to their advantage by turning the fear into fuel for the soul to do good for the world! just my 2 cents. the more we know about them, the fewer of them there are. they are fleeing at a very rapid pace. just by learning of it and thinking about it and talking about it and beginning to think more independently and not just listen to the main stream news and stuff, that is accelerating the process. we are creatures of light, and the brighter our light shines the faster the darkness flees. just my thoughts.

That's a great response Abe! I remember you talking about the effigy at fractal fields. I'm glad you are motivated to actually make a difference.

[cosmicvibrations]

^however, I also like Abe's last post thar, and say rock on to that. I think that's doing something about it.

In fact, I should say throwing psytrance parties IN GENERAL is a move towards social change, whether or not that's the intent. It may not seem like it to everyone, but that's definitely the way I view it. Psy parties have helped me learn more about myself, and if there's one thing that facilitates social change IMO, it's self-knowledge. There's alot of aspects of the culture (and Burning Man culture) that I feel are very important like that.

Yeah Abe I agree on Alex Jones… his style hasn't ever appealed to me.

[Robyo]

LOL. Of course I don't feel comfortable knowing that, Abe! There's a lot of stuff about our leaders and the way we do things that I don't feel comfortable about. I was just pointing out that these videos don't provide much evidence that secret societies fit into the big, big role that you feel they do.

You're welcome. I feel curious about it, I just haven't done research, and personally… I don't want to hear Alex Jones (for example) talk for that long.

Maybe I'll do some googling. 😉

ALEX JONES is a disinformist. he is there to confuse us and to turn us against our government. yes he speaks much truth but he never talks about the root of the problem. im just saying, please do not take his every word for it. he is just another information spreader, except he is funded by large corporations. just use your head and question everything. we are all smart people, capable of knowing right from wrong, good from evil, truth from false, so please just think for yourself and all will be good.

AJ was sounding the alarm long before the internet even came about. So now he's made some money and people want to call him a sellout or whatever. Sure, he's a blowhard and somewhat egotistical, but he's spread some truth. “Endgame” is an excellent documentary, BTW.
We certainly don't need him or David Icke or anyone to turn us against the government, it's the politicians' lies and policies that do that. Individuals inside the system continue to corrupt with their own agendas. It's no secret that there are secret societies. What we should be asking is if we had want to be ruled in a free democratic way or by oligarchical tyranny.

[PookztA]

right on guys! and good point about Psy events doing good things for the world in general Leo… i agree with this. life-changing experiences, which are very common at Psy events, seem to help shake up our boundaries and free us from the shackels of routine thoughts… allowing us to realize new things and start thinking more for ourselves, or at least that is how i perceive it! and Robyo, great points about AJ too, he definitely was a hero at the beginning, and still is for all the info he has gotten out there, but it is very obvious, as you pointed out, that he has been paid off and is no longer seeking Truth, rather, just spreading information, some of which is very misleading.

Kevin, what about this for a solution? i also believe that there are many Ghandi-like people out there now that realize the problems of Federal Government and would be willing to dissolve their empowering institution if elected to such an office as President of the USA. in fact, one would think that the only intention of a Ghandi-like person in running for such a high office would be to dissolve the Federal Government substantially, and also to implement rules to prevent it from ever returning to it's full power, including implementing rules to ensure that evil-doers are never permitted to even run for such offices. There is no need for a Federal Government for anything other than regulating interstate commerce IMO. The states can take care of themselves just fine if you ask me!

[HARDKORNATE]

right on guys! and good point about Psy events doing good things for the world in general Leo… i agree with this. life-changing experiences, which are very common at Psy events, seem to help shake up our boundaries and free us from the shackels of routine thoughts… allowing us to realize new things and start thinking more for ourselves, or at least that is how i perceive it! and Robyo, great points about AJ too, he definitely was a hero at the beginning, and still is for all the info he has gotten out there, but it is very obvious, as you pointed out, that he has been paid off and is no longer seeking Truth, rather, just spreading information, some of which is very misleading.

Kevin, what about this for a solution? i also believe that there are many Ghandi-like people out there now that realize the problems of Federal Government and would be willing to dissolve their empowering institution if elected to such an office as President of the USA. in fact, one would think that the only intention of a Ghandi-like person in running for such a high office would be to dissolve the Federal Government substantially, and also to implement rules to prevent it from ever returning to it's full power, including implementing rules to ensure that evil-doers are never permitted to even run for such offices. There is no need for a Federal Government for anything other than regulating interstate commerce IMO. The states can take care of themselves just fine if you ask me!

Ron Paul.

[PookztA]

Ron Paul.

i hope it's that simple 🙂

[PookztA]

Just a few more links that helped me see that this is real, and to grasp the larger picture (if left-clicking does not work, right-click and open in new window / tab):

1. Congressman interviewing Federal Reserve governing board member Ben Bernanke in regards to trillions of U.S. dollars being given away to foreign countries without congressional approval: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message844682/pg1

2. Albert Pike, a very famous high ranking U.S. military officer, who also served as a leader in the Ku Klux Klan, who predicted (or planned) World Wars I, II, and III: http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

3. Here are 2 videos, the first pertains to the production of what obviously looks to be concentration / quarantine camps by FEMA, and the other is a link to a recently recorded Fox News video which shows them openly speaking about the preparation for mass quarantines of American citizens in the name of a 'swine flu pandemic'. This shit is scary:
–FEMA camps:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4
–Fox News TV : http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message851412/pg1

[Robyo]

Who is the illuminati? Follow the money… google Rothschild Rockefeller

[AlienAudience]

Lmao, Abe…What?!  I thought we were done with this improvable nonsense captured on the various youtube excerpts and the equally nonsensical argument over Bush and Kerry and what kind of organizations they were a part of when they were about our age.

Why is the Kerry/Bush election and their membership in secret societies still a topic for debate? Last I checked that was, um, in 2004, now 5 years ago.  Where are those guys today anyway?  Has any former Presidential candidate wielded less influence in the Senate than Kerry does now? Shit, he isn't even heard in the national debates going on now.  And, Bush?  I think all he does these days is ride horses. By the way, I don’t recall, so maybe some can help me out here – – what secret society is Obama supposedly a member of?  He has to be a member of one of them; otherwise there is no way he could have been elected, right? lol, give me a break.

Oh, and the speech 'that got Kennedy killed'?  Funny, I thought most think he was killed by Oswald, not a speech.  And don’t even try to start the conspiracy wrangling on his assassination.  Let’s just agree right now to agree we won’t be able to agree on whether or not Oswald acted alone.  That’s not my point. In regards to Kennedy’s speech, he was talking about Communism! That speech had absolutely NOTHING to do with secret societies and to suggest it did is utterly laughable.  Go back and READ HISTORY or better yet, talk to someone who grew up in that time frame and you will be amazed at how utterly scared our whole country was of the Communist threat to our society.  That was what Kennedy was referring to, not some secret society poised to take over our country.  Don’t let me sidetrack us too much here, but perhaps you, Abe, can tell me what happened to the Communist threat in general and Nikita Khrushchev’s bold threat “we will bury you (referring to the United States)”?  What country was primarily responsible for the downfall of Communism and what President was in office when the iron curtain fell?  And, while we are at it, we might as well question what secret society that President was a member of as well. lol

My personal opinion is these youtube posts are meant to generate exactly the kind of response they are eliciting.  It shouldn’t be too hard to find the evidence that young people in their early to mid 20’s are the most vulnerable for these kind of theories and conspiracies.  Why?  Because most of us are searching for some kind of connection and belief system. Once past, oh, about 28 years old, experience, wisdom and commonsense prevail.  Anyone over 28 or so that still gets excited over this nonsense does so because they don’t have a life or because they are perpetually stoned, imo.

Now, excuse me while I go write Grassley, Harkin, and Loebsack to make sure they aren’t going to burden our generation with a monstrous debt to pay for unequal cap and trade energy policy and healthcare plans.  If there was ever a time and reason to ask the question, “WTF IS GOING ON?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!”  it is on those two bits of history changing legislation.  Now, those are things to get excited about – especially if you think Grassley, Harkin, and Loebsack are all members of a secret society.

[Robyo]

one theory for the reason JFK got offed: he was trying to dissolve the Federal Reserve.

Pretty sure Obama is CFR and a Builderberger.

[Ascension]

“The very word 'secrecy' is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings”.
John F. Kennedy

Obama is a member of CFR, Trilateral Commission, and a Builderberger.

Is that like build-a-bear, except with burgers?

[Robyo]

Is that like build-a-bear, except with burgers?

yeah, it's a funny name… comes from a hotel.

[AlienAudience]

one theory for the reason JFK got offed: he was trying to dissolve the Federal Reserve.

Pretty sure Obama is CFR and a Builderberger.

Yea, I've heard he was assassinated by Soviet agents retaliating against his orchestration of the Bay of Pigs Invasion; I've also heard it was in retaliation for JFK's support for stricter regulations that would minimize the influence of the Mafia. After being exposed to all three theories, plus countless more not worth mentioning, we're still left with nothing more than speculation. We'll probably never know what actually occurred..but maybe, just maybe, JFK was murdered because Oswald was a nut and wanted notoriety just like Mark David Chapman with Lennon – but that just isn't provocative enough! 

lol, @ Builderberger 

[PookztA]

Lmao, Abe…What?!  I thought we were done with this improvable nonsense captured on the various youtube excerpts and the equally nonsensical argument over Bush and Kerry and what kind of organizations they were a part of when they were about our age.

Why is the Kerry/Bush election and their membership in secret societies still a topic for debate? Last I checked that was, um, in 2004, now 5 years ago.  Where are those guys today anyway?  Has any former Presidential candidate wielded less influence in the Senate than Kerry does now? Shit, he isn't even heard in the national debates going on now.  And, Bush?  I think all he does these days is ride horses. By the way, I don’t recall, so maybe some can help me out here – – what secret society is Obama supposedly a member of?  He has to be a member of one of them; otherwise there is no way he could have been elected, right? lol, give me a break.

Oh, and the speech 'that got Kennedy killed'?  Funny, I thought most think he was killed by Oswald, not a speech.  And don’t even try to start the conspiracy wrangling on his assassination.  Let’s just agree right now to agree we won’t be able to agree on whether or not Oswald acted alone.  That’s not my point. In regards to Kennedy’s speech, he was talking about Communism! That speech had absolutely NOTHING to do with secret societies and to suggest it did is utterly laughable.  Go back and READ HISTORY or better yet, talk to someone who grew up in that time frame and you will be amazed at how utterly scared our whole country was of the Communist threat to our society.  That was what Kennedy was referring to, not some secret society poised to take over our country.  Don’t let me sidetrack us too much here, but perhaps you, Abe, can tell me what happened to the Communist threat in general and Nikita Khrushchev’s bold threat “we will bury you (referring to the United States)”?  What country was primarily responsible for the downfall of Communism and what President was in office when the iron curtain fell?  And, while we are at it, we might as well question what secret society that President was a member of as well. lol

My personal opinion is these youtube posts are meant to generate exactly the kind of response they are eliciting.  It shouldn’t be too hard to find the evidence that young people in their early to mid 20’s are the most vulnerable for these kind of theories and conspiracies.  Why?  Because most of us are searching for some kind of connection and belief system. Once past, oh, about 28 years old, experience, wisdom and commonsense prevail.  Anyone over 28 or so that still gets excited over this nonsense does so because they don’t have a life or because they are perpetually stoned, imo.

Now, excuse me while I go write Grassley, Harkin, and Loebsack to make sure they aren’t going to burden our generation with a monstrous debt to pay for unequal cap and trade energy policy and healthcare plans.  If there was ever a time and reason to ask the question, “WTF IS GOING ON?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!”  it is on those two bits of history changing legislation.  Now, those are things to get excited about – especially if you think Grassley, Harkin, and Loebsack are all members of a secret society.

Trevor,

1. Many youtube videos are well researched and documented, and many are even just clips of recorded TV footage from various news channels. Since we are assuming that what you have learned from Fox News and the other news channels you watch on your cable-rigged television is true and from worthy references, until otherwise proven wrong, it is only safe to assume that the sources I choose to obtain information from and reference, sources which I have put much effort towards validating by comparing them to several other sources, are also true and worthy references until otherwise proven wrong. So please Trevor, if you are going to talk trash about the youtube documentaries which I choose to reference, either do so of the History channel's, CNN's, ABC's, NBC's, BBC's, etc.'s documentaries and news programs as well, or please do some research and officially DISPROVE the youtube videos which I have referenced. By the way, you didn't answer the question, why did we ONLY HAVE A CHOICE between ONE skull and bones member and ANOTHER skull and bones member. Don't you think that is UNFAIR to the American People? Shouldn't there be better choices, more choices, and more opportunity for voter input, at the very least?!

2. I never said that Obama was in a secret society, did you even read my post? I said Bush Jr. and Kerry were, and that they were the only two options we had during a recent presidential election, which was COMPLETELY unfair to the American People… don't you agree?  I am simply trying to say that secrecy at that very high level of PUBLIC-SERVING OFFICE should be forbidden, and i cant believe how some people are tolerating it, and some people are even spending energy DEFENDING the secretness and lies, just as you are right now rather than using the energy to look into things more for yourself, aka do some research. How bout you Trevor, wouldn't you like the secrets to end? Secrets such as the U.S. Government's files on UFOs and Extraterrestrials? Other countries have opened their records to the public, but why hasn't America? Don't you care that they are keeping secrets from us? I also never said that secret societies are to blame for all this, I am just giving an example of the shadyness that our government has been built upon, and operated with, for a very long time. It did not surprise me when I recently found out, while researching, that George Washington and our founding fathers, although believers in freedom, actually referred to the Native Americans who inhabited North America before them as 'savages' and supported the killing of them as if they were game to be hunted. I'm trying to get through to you that we must wake up to the fact that our government is being used to benefit the wealthy at the inhumane expense of the poor and middle class, regardless for whatever the reason is (secret societies, greed, evil, religion, Israel, etc.) I am trying to say that this problem is REAL and that we need to do something about it. I am NOT saying that I know the cause of all of this. Our evolution is being impaired / suppressed / slowed down because of the shadow government / powers that be / people that are behind the curtain pulling the strings.

3. As for the JFK thing, i just found it odd that he gave a speech alerting the world to the plague of a monolithic secret society which has plagued the major governments of our world, including our own United States government, shortly before he was assassinated. JFK was calling upon the people to help him expose and get rid of government corruption and secrecy, and just shortly after the speech, he was assassinated. I find this very odd. It seems that part of JFK's plan to get rid of the corruption may have been to dissolve the Federal Reserve (as Robyo just said), just as Andrew Jackson had accomplished to finally get the United State's economy back on track at that time. Trevor, you should look into the Federal Reserve more, for it is the root of it all here in America. They have so much power and can discuss policies behind closed doors, in secrecy without any recording or documentation at some of their meetings, since more than 50% of their stock is owned by private investors. They can also do many things without the approval of congress, such as give massive amounts of money away to foreign countries, as seen being discussed in the Congressional Interview of the Federal Reserve youtube video I posted in a recent post. This secrecy bothers me. Whoever controls the amount of money in circulation controls the value of that money, so whoever controls the value of our money technically controls our lives, at least to some significant degree, and THOSE PEOPLE are meeting in SECRECY when they should be informing everyone of their decisions and reasoning, since what they do affects ALL OF US.  I find this secrecy appalling, and i hope that you find this appalling to some degree as well… If you don't believe me, watch the YouTube video I referenced, it is recorded TV footage of a Florida Congressman interviewing Ben Bernanke, one of the Federal Reserve governing board members, about trillions of dollars that were given to New Zealand, in this time of economic crisis when we need it the most, WITHOUT congressional approval. 🙂  it seems that the Truth is finally coming out.

P.S. – if people get fascinated by / researching into this because they have not developed a great enough level of common sense / logic before the age of 28, then how come you are not also fascinated by / researching into all this? Is it because your logic / common sense is somehow better than others who are also younger than age 28? How do you explain Robyo and the countless others that are over the age of 28 and still believe in these things, some which have been talking about it for years? Just curious…

thanks for contributing to this discussion everyone! you too Trevor, your opinion is very much valued. thanks for posting

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