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The 'Starchild' Skull: http://starchildproject.com/
1. Introduction to the Starchild Skull by Lloyd Pye: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EynQ5EEf7IM
2. 'Starchild' Skull DNA Results Summary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFayTVCbDjA
OVERVIEW OF THE SKULL
> The skull's bone is about half as thick as normal human bone.
> The bone weighs about half as much as normal human bone.
> The bone is substantially stronger than any known bone on planet Earth, with a mineral profile more like dental enamel than bone.
> The bone was radio carbon dated in 2003 to be 900 years old (+/- 40 years).
> The skull was reportedly found in an abandoned mine tunnel in the Copper Canyon region about 200 miles SW of Chihuahua, Mexico.
> The skull is morphologically unique, and does not match the physical profile of any known human deformity.
> The bone of the skull contains an as yet unidentified reddish residue that had never been seen before in bone (this is not desiccated bone marrow).
> The bone of the skull contains microscopic fibers that have never been seen before in the bone of any animal.
> Attempts to recover DNA from the skull easily produced its mitochondrial DNA, which proved its mother was fully human. However, no nuclear DNA could be recovered using human-only primers, which strongly indicates that the skull's father was something other than a typical human
I hope you find this topic to be intriguing, and hopefully the research team will find someone who can help to provide the final finances needed to finish sequencing the rest of the genome of this very fascinating specimen.
Peace,
-Abe
Wikipedia has a small group of moderators that censor and edit information that they do not like.
Here, this is a quote directly taken from Lloyd Pye (the one who has permission from the skull's owners to do research on it), regarding the unfair and inaccurate editing and censorship of Wikipedia:
Lloyd Pye said: “For years I have been engaged in a running battle with the knuckleheads who “edit” Wikipedia. They flagrantly distort any “alternative” views of mainstream science, so you can imagine the hack jobs they've done to my bio and the Starchild skull. Now I have solid confirmation that very much is rotten in Wikipedia land. …Check it out: http://www.thunderbolts.info/thunderblogs/davesmith_au.htm “
and I had my own recent run in with a small group of rude Wikipedia moderators censoring me and deleting information I was posting, even though I was adding accurate and important information to certain Wikipedia articles. You can read about my censorship experience here: http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=283&Itemid=60
that's true. wiki is far from peer review source. it's nice to get some otherside info tho…
I DO think this is interesting, but more in a freakshow kind of way. I doubt this puts any real stock in the human/alien hybrid theories…
also cool to read about your run-in with wikipedia.
on a side note, I haven't been to erowid in a long time. Are they also run by a small cabal of mods?
seems so… http://www.erowid.org/general/about/about.shtml
and what wik has to say about them… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erowid
that's true. wiki is far from peer review source. it's nice to get some otherside info tho…
I DO think this is interesting, but more in a freakshow kind of way. I doubt this puts any real stock in the human/alien hybrid theories…
also cool to read about your run-in with wikipedia.
on a side note, I haven't been to erowid in a long time. Are they also run by a small cabal of mods?
seems so… http://www.erowid.org/general/about/about.shtml
and what wik has to say about them… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erowid
Not sure how Erowid works, but sounds like there is a small group of mods and then lots of volunteer contributors.
The Wikipedia article claims the Starchild skull is an abnormal human skull, but the issue here, is that the skull exhibits qualities unlike any human skull, normal or abnormal, ever found in recorded history.
Not just the dimensions, but the composition of the bone, the density of the bone, the strength of the bone, the depth of the eye sockets, the lack of occipital protuberances, and much much more.
Now, they have even run DNA tests on the skull, and extracted maternal mitochondrial DNA that is preserved in the mitochondria of the osteocytes which comprise the skull. The mother is human, without a doubt, from what I have read. BUT, the father's DNA has been unextractable for reasons unclear to me, although it should be just as easy to extract as any DNA-extraction process from an ancient skull. From what I have read, the multiple attempts to extract the paternal (father) DNA is indicative that the father's DNA is not of human origin (it most likely has a different structure), because if it was, it would be easily extractable just like any other DNA-extraction from any other skull. I plan on looking for more details in relation to the skull's paternal DNA extraction problem, but am studying for finals at the moment.
I recommend reading more into this if you are interested and have time Rob, because it is extremely fascinating and there is a lot of scientific investigation currently going on regarding the skull it seems.
from: http://starchildproject.com/research.htm
“In the summer of 2003 the Starchild's DNA was sequenced and analyzed by Trace Genetics, a laboratory dedicated to the recovery of ancient DNA. (At 900 years of age, the Starchild DNA is considered “ancient.”) Two types of DNA were sought, its mitochondrial DNA (which contains only the mother's DNA) and its nuclear DNA (the entire genomic package that comes from both parents). Its mitochondrial DNA was easy to recover and proved its mother was human. In six full attempts its nuclear DNA could not be recovered. This was an overwhelming indication that its father was something other than entirely human, but that was all that could be determined by that process. What was needed, but was unavailable at the time, was a test to recover the entire genome so the genetic heritage of both parents could be recovered and studied in detail.”
“In the summer of 2006 a company called 454 Life Sciences (now a Roche Applied System company) announced it had developed entirely new technology that would allow the sequencing of an entire genome base-pair by base-pair, all three billion of them (in a typical human). This was exactly what was needed to establish the Starchild's genetic heritage, but the cost of analysis (multi-millions at that early point) put it well beyond the reach of the Starchild Project in 2006. However, everyone understood that improvements in the technology would drop the price over time, so the team accepted that testing could not be initiated until sometime in 2009 or 2010.”
“Now testing with the 454 Life Science technology is set to begin some time in 2009. This testing will utilize the Genome Sequencer™ system, which is fully capable of recovering and sequencing the entire genome of the Starchild Skull. When this result is obtained, its genome can then be compared in every detail to other known genomes and the question of its humanity can conclusively be resolved.”
Most recent update, from Lloyd Pye's official facebook page:
“The Starchild's nuclear DNA has been confirmed as existing and recoverable, so now we are pointing everything toward the recovery of its entire genome. History in the making!”
So it seems as though the nuclear DNA has not been recovered yet, but the maternal mitochondrial DNA has. So, there is no way they have determined whether this is a human or an alien or a hybrid of both, because the DNA in the nucleus of the osteocytes of the skull still have not been fully extracted and analyzed. Sounds like the information will be out soon, hopefully in the next year! Exciting times to be alive 🙂
Machi
judging how the skull looks like I think predator could be a father…
judging how the skull looks like I think predator could be a father…
LOL! hahahaha 😀 I do see the resemblence as well! haha, never thought of that, funny comment Machi ;D thanks for commenting!
Good heavens, can you imagine potty-training a Yautja baby?!!!
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;D
Good heavens, can you imagine potty-training a Yautja baby?!!!
😮
;D
lulz Rogue 🙂
Just emailed Mr. Pye to get more info, got a pretty quick response from him:
From: Lloyd Pye [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 10:13 PM
To: 'Abraham Hafiz Rodriguez'
Subject: RE: questionAbraham:
Good question! We had an investor lined up and ready to go, then two weeks ago he suffered a serious stroke and does not look like he will recover. We have to start from scratch tomorrow on our quest for a new investor.
As soon as we have the money from the investor, whoever they might be, we will sign contracts with the laboratory where the geneticist works. At that point their names can become public. However, as you must know if you're a medical student, nothing definitive can be determined until the Starchild's entire genome has been sequenced, and then it has to be compared against the genomes of humans, chimps, gorillas, and Neanderthals (to the extent the latter is possible).
Basically, we're talking well before the end of this year for the recovery of the genome, and by the middle of next year for the full analysis to compare all its points of concurrence and divergence with other genomes.
Lloyd
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From: Abraham Hafiz Rodriguez [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 10:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: question
Dear Mr. Pye,When will the nuclear DNA results be available to the public?
Thank you,
-Abe
Abraham Hafiz Rodriguez
M1 Medical Student
B.S. Biology / NeurobiologyStraight out of the pages of the Weekly World News.
Straight out of the pages of the Weekly World News.
🙂
more important information from Lloyd Pye himself:
From: Lloyd Pye [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 8:57 AM
To: 'Abraham Hafiz Rodriguez'
Subject: RE: questionAbe:
Those “findings” come from a man named Steven Novella and Wikipedia. Back in 1999, the year I got the skulls, there were six labs in the world that could recover ancient DNA (SC is 900 years old). None of the six would touch it. So we tried for a forensic lab that wasn't equipped properly and they screwed it up, insisting they had a very tiny bit of recovery (200 picograms when the minumum is normally 1000). That claimed recovery was indeed an X and a Y, but they had already contaminated two batches with worker DNA, and we were confident this was a contamination, too. However, they insisted it wasn't and they announced it as such, which Novella, a well-known skeptic, seized upon.
In 2003 we got a real recovery from a real ancient DNA lab (there were 24 of them in 2003). That lab showed conclusively that the nuclear DNA the first lab claimed they recovered could not possibly have been accurate because they could not recover it in six full attempts. It simply wasn't recoverable with the primer technology of 2003, so the first lab was wrong or lied or whatever. In any case, I eventually asked Novella and Wikipedia for a retraction and a correction, and both have refused, sticking with the original utterly wrong result because that's what they want to believe rather than the truth, which is clear and obvious to anyone who makes any effort to search for it.
You're getting into a field that is rotten at its core, my friend. I wish you well in it, but if you think for yourself, as you seem to do, watch your back at all times…..
Lloyd
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From: Abraham Hafiz Rodriguez [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 1:48 AM
To: 'Lloyd Pye'
Subject: RE: question
Hehe no problem keep us posted on your mailing list, I eagerly await the complete DNA analysis.Many people are skeptical after finding out that the mother is human, and some people dwell on the ‘findings’ (I have not verified them yet), which claim that there was an X and Y chromosome found in the skull’s DNA, which has led some skeptics to conclude that the dad must have also been human. I have not been able to verify the findings of the X and Y chromosomes, but I suspect that even if this is true, that such an alien-human hybrid could have both an X and a Y, while having other ‘alien’ genes introduced into the human DNA.
Any thoughts on this? I bet you are busy, so we can end this exchange whenever, but I figured I would ask really quick.
Thanks,
-Abe
Abraham Hafiz Rodriguez
M1 Medical Student
B.S. Biology / NeurobiologyFibers inside the bone: http://starchildproject.com/fibers.htm
Preliminary Analysis of a Highly Unusual Human-Like Skull by Dr. Ted J. Robinson, M.D., L.M.C.C., F.R.C.S (c): http://starchildproject.com/reports_11Experts.htm
Specialists who examined the skull and associated X-rays and CAT scans were:
Dr. Fred Smith, Head of Pediatrics, Children’s Hospital, New Orleans, La.
Dr. David Hodges, Radiologist, Royal Columbian Hospital, New Westminster, B.C.
Dr. John Bachynsky, Radiologist, New Westminster, B.C.
Dr. Ken Poskitt, Pediatric Neuroradiologist, Vancouver Children’s Hospital
Dr. Ian Jackson, (formerly of Mayo Clinic), Craniofacial Plastic Surgeon, Michigan
Dr. John McNicoll, Craniofacial Plastic Surgeon, Seattle
Dr. Mike Kaburda, Oral Surgeon, New Westminster, B.C.
Dr. Tony Townsend, Ophthalmologist, Vancouver
Dr. Hugh Parsons, Ophthalmologist, Vancouver
Dr David Sweet, Forensic Odontologist, Vancouver
Basic Facts about the Skull: http://starchildproject.com/skull_overview.htm
> The skull's bone is about half as thick as normal human bone.
> The bone weighs about half as much as normal human bone.
> The bone is substantially stronger than any known bone on planet Earth, with a mineral profile more like dental enamel than bone.
> The bone was radio carbon dated in 2003 to be 900 years old (+/- 40 years).
> The skull was reportedly found in an abandoned mine tunnel in the Copper Canyon region about 200 miles SW of Chihuahua, Mexico.
> The skull is morphologically unique, and does not match the physical profile of any known human deformity.
> The bone of the skull contains an as yet unidentified reddish residue that had never been seen before in bone (this is not desiccated bone marrow).
> The bone of the skull contains microscopic fibers that have never been seen before in the bone of any animal.
> Attempts to recover DNA from the skull easily produced its mitochondrial DNA, which proved its mother was fully human. However, no nuclear DNA could be recovered using human-only primers, which strongly indicates that the skull's father was something other than a typical human
Please make up your own mind about this skull, but please keep your mind OPEN until the full genome is sequenced. We should have the results in the next 1.5 years, so stay tuned. There is a mailing list you can sign up for if you really care, just go to: http://www.starchildproject.com/
Peace,
-Abe
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