[PookztA]

The Anti-Gravity Secret of The Coral Castle (Documentary | 25 minutes): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o15_DQUm94s

“Coral Castle is a stone structure created by the Latvian American eccentric Edward Leedskalnin north of the city of Homestead, Florida in Miami-Dade County at the intersection of U.S. 1 (South Dixie Highway) and Southwest 157th Ave. The structure comprises numerous megalithic stones (mostly limestone formed from coral), each weighing several tons.[2] It currently serves as a privately-operated tourist attraction.

Edward spent over 28 years building the Coral Castle, refusing to allow anyone to view him while he worked. A few teenagers claimed to have witnessed his work, reporting that he had caused the blocks of coral to move like hydrogen balloons. The only tool that Leedskalnin spoke of using was a “perpetual motion holder.”

some basic information about The Coral Castle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle

[PookztA]

if anyone watches this, please comment on it. i would love to hear peoples' thoughts on this!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCvx5gSnfW4&feature=related

[esmokah]

^^ wow that guy is pretty clever! i wonder what his stone henge looks like now

[PookztA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCvx5gSnfW4&feature=related

did you even watch the Coral Castle documentary Joseph, or have you already seen it? or did you just feel like posting more material on the subject (assuming it is related to this topic)?

you are obviously free to post whatever you want in this thread, it is a public forum, but I was hoping that people would give their opinion of the documentary in addition to posting other material. would be nice to know how you feel about the E-Channel documentary on The Coral Castle… and if I ever find out, perhaps I will watch the video you posted.

-Abe

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[PookztA]

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so I decided to be the less stubborn individual here, since you wouldn't even answer my question, and I watched the video you posted.

Unfortunately the equipment the man uses in your Stone Henge video is not very similar to the equipment that Edward Leedskalnin used to build the Coral Castle. I know this because I have watched the Coral Castle documentary and there is a photo or two of the actual equipment that Edward Leedskalnin used to build the Coral Castle all by himself. The equipment Edward Leedskalnin used is not even similar in appearance to the equipment used by the man in the Stone Henge video.

Also, the only blocks the man in the Stone Henge video has been able to raise off the ground (not just stand up) weighed approximately 1 ton each, as he stated, yet the blocks that comprise the Coral Castle weigh several tons each.

Based on the video you posted, it seems to me that you assume that it's very possible that the Coral Castle was built using the methods that are displayed in the Stone Henge video you posted, but unfortunately, their equipment is not the same. Did you already know that before posting the video? Were you already familiar with the Coral Castle or were you just assuming that Edward Leedskalnin must have used the same equipment and techniques as the man in the Stone Henge film?

See, my point with threads like this is to promote real discussion, not a bunch of link posting. Regardless, you can post whatever you want in this forum, but I felt like I should express my honest disappointment that an intelligent person I know would rather just post links and not answer my questions rather than hold an intelligent discussion about the equipement and methods that Edward Leedskalnin used to build the Coral Castle. It would have been nice to know how you felt about the different methods used by Edward Leedskalnin in comparison to the Stone Henge guy.

Oh well, maybe others will participate in discussion…

-Abe

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Oh, Abraham…

This video you have posted is so sensationalistic and unscientific that I really have nothing much to say about it. A bunch of conjecture, hearsay, and authoritative pronouncements do not a strong case make.

I posted the other video to demonstrate one person erecting multi-ton obelisks single-handedly using relatively primitive technology and known physics.

Believe what you like, I am not compelled by this “evidence”.

[PookztA]

that's better, haha. glad i got some words outta ya to at least see where you were coming from.

science isn't everything in my life, because science hasn't examined everything. sure, i will rely on science to form my more concrete beliefs, but still, I would never close my mind off to a topic just because little or no scientific investigation has been conducted regarding that topic. I think first one must generate interest in things, then that interest motivates scientists to examine things using scientific experiments. Where would we be if we didn't have interests in things that science has yet to thoroughly examine?  

I look forward to science investigating the concept of Ley Lines, because as far as I know, mainstream science has not attempted to investigate this concept very thoroughly. Anyone who doesn't know what Ley Lines are, I encourage you to look into them, for it is a fascinating topic that seems to be related to The Coral Castle. (and no, I am not talking about the Aes Dana album, hehe)

[cosmicvibrations]

Abe, not to start the mob against you, but seriously… I'm wondering why you DEMAND people speak. I really think you're seeking approval on the subjects you post. I don't mean to sound rude, but I am calling you out so it may come off that way… I hope that you sit with the feeling you get when someone doesn't say what you want them to say. Just sit with it… really feel it. Why do you feel that?

You know I'm not a hater… so let that stand for itself. I'm not here to hate on you. I'm saying this 'cause parts of yourself that you aren't seeing are coming out to us, and I'm hoping you become aware of them.

At the very least, even if I'm wrong on the above, the manner in which you reacted to Joseph's post was strict and desiring control. I think that's revealing. The way you need to know exactly what he's feeling and thinking and why… I think that's revealing too.

I feel vulnerable saying all this – I only notice it because I've done similar things. But it's worth it. See if anything I said resonated with you…

[PookztA]

i see what you are saying Leo, but I honestly feel like I didn't demand that anyone speaks.

not once did I demand that anyone speaks as far as I recall…

I simply expressed disappointment after I saw Joseph post a video that has little or nothing to do with how the Coral Castle was built (the equipment is not even the same), I felt like he was basically implying that the documentary I posted has little or no value, because he thought it could be easily explained by some unrelated YouTube video that he posted. It also made me feel like he may not even have watched the documentary but was trying to suggest he knew how it was done.

I may have been assuming too much about why he posted his video, but it at least made me feel like he was not wanting to discuss The Coral Castle, but was wanting to 'debunk' it.

Am I wrong, in your opinion, for expressing my disappointment that Joseph posted a rather unrelated video but did not post any real discussion about the topic of this thread? I posted it to promote discussion after all…

Please let me know. I am open to criticism, so thanks for expressing your concern Leo. Hopefully I can figure out what I did wrong here if I did indeed mess up, because I would like to improve upon my flaws.

[cosmicvibrations]

It's cool that you realize you were assuming things. That's separate from what I was talking about.

It's not that you're wrong, it's that I think the tone of your post and my intuition combined to make me want to write that post. I stand by it… and when I said demand, you didn't demand using harsh words (you wouldn't do that, you use words carefully), but I see you getting really frustrated when people don't do what you want them to do, and I see you getting pretty demanding towards them to feed you their responses. I felt the primal emotion (or I projected it!) coming from you…

I could hypothesize about why you're demanding responses from people, but that's not even my place. I'm just here to tell you, from someone who clearly doesn't have a personal vendetta against you of any kind, that your inner world is showing more than you realize, and perhaps with material you haven't confronted yet. I can only hope that's enough for you to want to explore said material. (Heck, explore it even if you don't agree with it! Why not?) If that isn't enough, then there's nothing I can do.

[PookztA]

What material are you referring to that I should explore? I am a bit confused by the vagueness of your point there.

I will admit that I hope for responses discussing the points of the documentary, but at the same time, I am completely fine if people don't watch the documentary and don't comment about it, or if people do watch the documentary and don't comment about it.

I will admit that I do not like it when people don't watch a documentary but still comment negatively on it (or attempt to debunk the documentary that they didn't watch or barely watched), because that is like dismissing evidence or trying to disprove evidence without first viewing that evidence and analyzing it for yourself. It is not just closed-minded, it is blind / semi-blind rejection.

So, it is an important distinction to point out that I do not “demand” people reply, in fact, I am completely fine with people not replying at all, but one of the things I find somewhat annoying is when people try to debunk concepts and theories without FIRST considering a bulk of the evidence and/or information pertaining that theory.

An example of the above would be like trying to disprove the theory of gravity without first familiarizing yourself with the gravitational equation and the physical structure of matter. Can you imagine how irritating it would be if you posted a new theory about Gravity to be discussed, and I simply just posted an unrelated YouTube video in an attempt to try and disprove your theory? Wouldn't you hope that I would first try to understand the theory you were sharing with us, and possibly even discuss it with you or with others, before making an attempt to disprove it? Wouldn't you hope that when I did try to disprove it (if I did), that I would do so with words and explanations in addition to links, to help you understand where I am coming from, rather than just throwing counter-information out there, some which may not even apply to your theory being discussed?

So, I admit that I have desires and hopes in reference to my posts, meaning, I hope people will consider this information and discuss it, and I have a desire to know that at least one person here took something positive away from this thread, even if that is just entertainment or intrigue while viewing the documentary…

…so can you also let me know that you see where I am coming from, if you do? (and if you don't, please let me know.)

(by the way, much of what I said does not relate to Joseph specifically or even this forum, it is more just general points I am making in relation to controversial topics such as this one, and how I have observed a small to moderate number of people behave in response to similar topics in various internet forums.)

Lastly, thank you for expressing your views in such a respectful and mature way. I have no problem being critiqued and called out, regardless of whether I am guilty or innocent of the charges, as long as those calling me out do so in a respectful and caring way. I really dislike negative energy and disrespect, even in its most subtle forms, so thanks for expressing your concerns in a positive way. 🙂

[Pauldo]

Abe, did it occur to you Abe that your posts just suck?  It's lame and irritating when someone goes back into a thread and pushes people to comment on their original post.  Just post your original thread and if no one responds then let it be man.  LET IT BE!

[PookztA]

What material are you referring to that I should explore? I am a bit confused by the vagueness of your point there.

I will admit that I hope for responses discussing the points of the documentary, but at the same time, I am completely fine if people don't watch the documentary and don't comment about it, or if people do watch the documentary and don't comment about it.

I will admit that I do not like it when people don't watch a documentary but still comment negatively on it (or attempt to debunk the documentary that they didn't watch or barely watched), because that is like dismissing evidence or trying to disprove evidence without first viewing that evidence and analyzing it for yourself. It is not just closed-minded, it is blind / semi-blind rejection.

So, it is an important distinction to point out that I do not “demand” people reply, in fact, I am completely fine with people not replying at all, but one of the things I find somewhat annoying is when people try to debunk concepts and theories without FIRST considering a bulk of the evidence and/or information pertaining that theory.

An example of the above would be like trying to disprove the theory of gravity without first familiarizing yourself with the gravitational equation and the physical structure of matter. Can you imagine how irritating it would be if you posted a new theory about Gravity to be discussed, and I simply just posted an unrelated YouTube video in an attempt to try and disprove your theory? Wouldn't you hope that I would first try to understand the theory you were sharing with us, and possibly even discuss it with you or with others, before making an attempt to disprove it? Wouldn't you hope that when I did try to disprove it (if I did), that I would do so with words and explanations in addition to links, to help you understand where I am coming from, rather than just throwing counter-information out there, some which may not even apply to your theory being discussed?

So, I admit that I have desires and hopes in reference to my posts, meaning, I hope people will consider this information and discuss it, and I have a desire to know that at least one person here took something positive away from this thread, even if that is just entertainment or intrigue while viewing the documentary…

…so can you also let me know that you see where I am coming from, if you do? (and if you don't, please let me know.)

(by the way, much of what I said does not relate to Joseph specifically or even this forum, it is more just general points I am making in relation to controversial topics such as this one, and how I have observed a small to moderate number of people behave in response to similar topics in various internet forums.)

Lastly, thank you for expressing your views in such a respectful and mature way. I have no problem being critiqued and called out, regardless of whether I am guilty or innocent of the charges, as long as those calling me out do so in a respectful and caring way. I really dislike negative energy and disrespect, even in its most subtle forms, so thanks for expressing your concerns in a positive way. 🙂

I wanted to add one thing:

I have no problem with people trying to disprove stuff I post, because if they have some super-effective evidence that would quickly disprove the theory I am considering, it would be of great help to me to view such evidence so I could toss poor theories out the window.

Unfortunately, this is rarely the case, such as when someone recently implied that people should not watch the Mysterious Origins of Man documentary simply because it involved interviews with some scientists that happened to be creationists…

…and another example, in which someone posted a video in an attempt to explain why there is no mystery involving the Coral Castle because some guy can move large stones using certain simple equipment he has developed, even though this equipment has absolutely nothing to do with the equipment which was used to build the Coral Castle.

I am not calling out these two individuals (this is why I did not mention their names), because I am not offended nor hurt by their posts, but I did find both of them slightly annoying because it made me feel like these two people were spending energy in an attempt to prevent others from watching these documentaries and drawing their own conclusions about the information, regardless of whether this was intentional or not.

For example, if anyone that strongly dislikes religions decided to group-think by siding with the anti-creationist person and avoiding the Mysterious Origins of Man documentary specifically because there were a few scientists interviewed during it that happened to be creationists, that anti-creationist person might have literally caused someone to close their mind off to and reject information like he did, because of their friendship. Now, I am not sure if this has ever happened or not, but I think it is perfectly plausible to imagine the scenario that someone with very little free time is considering whether or not to watch the documentary, but then sees his fellow friend and scientific forum goer speaking negatively about the documentary, and as a result, he might decide not to watch it and draw premature conclusions about it rather than watching it for himself and drawing his own conclusions. This type of stuff bothers me a bit, but I have been trying to respond to it more calmly and respectfully lately, because I am not trying to upset the peace that is returning to this forum.

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