[PookztA]

I believe Humans play a role in Global Warming.

Thanks to Basilisk for providing the link below to some very conclusive scientific evidence which shows that humans do play a role in global warming. yes, we may not be the sole cause of it, but we are contributing to it, so thanks for helping me to see this Basilisk!

http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/publications_and_data_reports.htm#1

[cosmicvibrations]

A lot of action taken in response to fear about global warming involves saving/conserving resources, reducing pollution, and just generally becoming more awake to how we interact with the Earth.

Human-caused or not, why is reducing the harmful by-products of our life on Earth a bad thing?

[Robyo]

The environmenal movement has been coopted by the globalists. It's become a springboard for them to usher in more taxes and control. I hate pollution, but I refuse to admit I'm a detriment to the planet simply because I exist.

[cosmicvibrations]

Why do you refuse to believe that? For example, if you drive a car, you release exhaust into the air. Does that not cause a detriment to the planet? That's not simply existing, but that's living. (The car is, of course, just an example).

[Robyo]

I'm talking about the CO2 that I as a living breathing organism exhale.

Obviously cars pollute. People could drive less, or switch to renewable energies. But I'll do that because I personally care about the earth, or it makes economic sense. I don't need some bureaucrat telling me I can't drive or that I have to pay taxes to Al Gore's company because of it.

[Robyo]

There is some arguement that the fluctuations of the Sun's magnetics, including sunspots, happens to be affecting the Earth's climate. I really don't know enough about it either way… I don't believe climate-change debate is finished, as Al Gore would have us believe. There's many scientists who do not feel it's a completely man-made phenomenon, as thankfully, Abe pointed out.

[PookztA]

i never said that helping the earth out or using less resources is Bad leo…

what i think is bad is the Cap & Trade policies, and the taxes that are being applied to American citizens a small business owners. here is one article regarding this issue: http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2009/September/Does-Cap–Trade-Really-Mean-Cap–Tax/

i really only posted this to let people know that I recently learned quite a bit of information about the Sun, and its inseparable link to climate change. i just wanted to share the petition of over 30,000 American scientists, over 9,000 of them being PhDs, that oppose the current theory behind climate change, and have tons of evidence to back up their claim. i didnt want to get all political about it, but i just wanted to clarify that i have nothing against using less resources and being more environment-friendly and trying to live more earth-sustainable life styles.

[Ascension]

There is some arguement that the fluctuations of the Sun's magnetics, including sunspots, happens to be affecting the Earth's climate. I really don't know enough about it either way… I don't believe climate-change debate is finished, as Al Gore would have us believe. There's many scientists who do not feel it's a completely man-made phenomenon, as thankfully, Abe pointed out.

I know quite a bit about it. There was a good length interview with the scientist who brought up the sunspot argument on a bbc newscast like 2 years ago.

There are also trends in the ocean that point to the Earth being in a cooling cycle now: http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1770901/is_the_earth_entering_a_cooling_cycle/index.html?source=r_science . Here you can also see the temperature of the Earth over time: http://www.scotese.com/images/globaltemp.jpg . It's obvious that we're not in any time of extreme case for warm or cold weather compared to what has happened on this planet. The amount of greenhouse gases that man emits is small when compared to natural sources (volcanos, etc).

Renewables are where we should be going to as a society, but man-made global warming has no solid scientific proof to back it up. In fact, the deeper we get into this debate, the more we find out how minimal our impact on the Earth actually is.

[Ascension]

31,478 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,029 with PhDs.

Question: How many of these 31,478 American scientists have lived/worked in Antarctica?

Point: PhD == intelligence.  A PhD is a sign of the ability to do necessary paperwork and work well in a social politics heavy environment, while showing limited levels of intelligence and creativity.

For those who don't know, “==” means “does not equal.”

This doesn't debunk any of their knowledge of the subject though. I have a REALLY big problem with people that undermine a Ph.D in the scientific community. Sure there are some quacks out there, but you can't make this your initial feeling towards all of them.

[Ascension]

Also, CO2- being the largest greenhouse output by man – is one of the weakest greenhouse gases (along with Methane). Here's a graph of the history of CO2 amounts in the atmosphere:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phanerozoic_Carbon_Dioxide.png

I don't see why the planet would be having a problem with us and our CO2 emissions now.

[PookztA]

Ora, please click the link and check out the peer-reviewed studies and evidence that has been gathered…

i am learning more and more that evidence and data is what really matters, and not so much opinions or degrees.

[PookztA]

i am not sure about this, i just wanted to share information. i plan on getting a professor to review the evidence with me, and i will get back to everyone about this

[PookztA]

their data looks convincing but i am trying to follow up on their individual sources and references… many of their links look broken which is not very professional…

further more, it seems that a lot of the 'research' that went into this petition was conducted / endorsed by ROCKAFELLER UNIVERSITY, which would be linked to the Rockafeller-owned 'Standard Oil' company, suggesting that this petition may be a pro-oil move to try and prevent the Green movement.

also, none of this research has ever been accepted and published by any peer reviewed scientific journal, except for the out-of-place American Journal of Physicians and Surgeons, which is weird because it has nothing to do with the environment.

here, this is from wikipedia

“After the petition appeared, the National Academy of Sciences said in a 1998 news release that “The NAS Council would like to make it clear that this petition has nothing to do with the National Academy of Sciences and that the manuscript was not published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences or in any other peer-reviewed journal.”[15] It also said “The petition does not reflect the conclusions of expert reports of the Academy.” The NAS further noted that its own prior published study had shown that “even given the considerable uncertainties in our knowledge of the relevant phenomena, greenhouse warming poses a potential threat sufficient to merit prompt responses. Investment in mitigation measures acts as insurance protection against the great uncertainties and the possibility of dramatic surprises.”[16]”

after further research, i conclude that i am unsure about the causes of Global Warming. oh well, thought i would share it with ya'll

[Ascension]

I've been having an in-depth discussion on isratrance about this article/global warming in general. There seems to be a lot of skepticism surrounding the names on the petition and some of the main organizers, but I just look at the facts it presents. There are 132 references in this article spanning a long period of time, which leads me to believe they are creditable. I've also seen most of these graphs before (in one form or another) on different creditable sites from creditable people.

[PookztA]

what do you think about so many of the references being broken / non-working links? i would like to know more about what you find out regarding this issue… i am just totally unsure at the moment. i would like to see of the real data that they chose to summarize in their report, not just their summaries. thanks for keeping us posted, let me know what ya find!

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