[ora]

Ora  -Can you give more info on alien DNA insert 10,000 years ago?  Just interested.

There are theories out there which suggest that the Anunaki were extra-terrestrials who bred with humans to mix our DNA.  Things commonly quoted regarding this is the Genesis passage with the “Nephilim” (“those who came down” or “those who descended”, also a source of fallen angel theory and much more compatible with the Enochian lore), and also a passage (can't remember where) that states “the sons of God went into the daughters of men” (suggesting Angelic/human carnal relations, or as the theory suggests, ET/human DNA cross-breeding).  More prominently, they are featured in the Babylonian Enuma Elish, the creation story.

Anu was/is a great sky god in the Sumerian pantheon (one of the oldest known pantheons).  The Anunnaki are the children of Anu.  However there are some pagans who embrace this as the oldest source tradition and have no ET connection with all of it.  Many of those pagans embrace an amalgamation of the variations of the goddess Inanna/Ishtar, common in sex magick circles, but also other pagan circles.  It should be noted that a lot of the modern embracing of this ancient lore fuses variations of these deities and characters across a 1000+ year span of history from Sumeria to Assyria (including the Akkadian and Babylonians).  Marduk was not even present in Sumerian history, while he was the main feature by the time the Enuma Elish was put to stone.  This was because he was a king who decided to be written into deification.

Some people on Youtube claim to channel Anu and his kindred while others claim he is an evil ET, and some claim both (why you would channel an evil ET, I don't know…).  There are also stories about Reptilians (aka Draconians) and Zeta Reticuli (aka Greys) as races trying to dominate/confuse humans, while Sirians, Pleidians, Arcturians, and many more (the Galactic Federation, which in some traditions is the name for the Draconians' government) are trying to help us.

Personally, I have trouble believing in ANY of this, except that Anu was a sky god worshipped by the Sumerians, and Inanna was a goddess worshipped by sacred prostitutes in Sumeria.  I don't even believe in evil.  If these are ETs (assuming intelligent ETs in contact with Earth is even valid), it's more likely that there are complicated and just as annoying politics going on in the stars above us as there are down here on Earth.

Just because someone might have better technology, doesn't mean they have better control of their inner shadow selves.  The whole thing about ETs, UFOs, New World Orders (as opposed to Novus Ordo Seclorum), and what-have-yous is that much of it is terribly depressing and that it encourages victim consciousness: “Oh the world is so wrong, so messed up, we're all being dominated… AND one day some nice wonderful people from the stars will come down and save us… one day…”  It's like rapturists who believe the Devil rules the world and one day Jesus will come to wipe the world clean…  Honestly… ::)

My only hope is that “one day” humans might stop looking to someone else for answers and take responsibility for themselves and their own lives without enslaving or depending on others.

Enslaving the human race is so co-dependent…

P.S. On a completely unrelated note, you may remember:
The meaning of life the universe and everything is: 42
The question is: What do you get when you multiply 9 times 6?
While this may seem that “there is something fundamentally wrong with the universe,” you forgot to calculate the math in base 13. 😉

[Machi]

so, do you personally believe in gods Anu and Inanna?

[Nameless One]

I think you're completely right in stating that “victim consciousness” pervades NWO/spooky alien/lizard people conspiracy types… same goes with truthers and anti-vaccine nuts IMO. If there really is a super-secret cabal of shadowy operatives oppressing everyone on the planet without recourse then, conceivably, one may as well be completely absolved from the responsibility to do anything other than party hard and hit the bong.

[Nameless One]

Have you been touched by His noodly appendage?

[Pauldo]

There was a FSM theme camp at BM this year.

[Machi]

There was a FSM theme camp at BM this year.

hope you gave FSM all the respects and bows….. 😉

[cosmicvibrations]

“I believe all deities that have had a significant amount of belief energy put toward them by humans have some kind of essence of existence.  Belief and worship imbue deities with the power to act upon reality.  If all believers of a deity die, so too dies the deity.  If believers of the deity abound in number (like God/Allah/YHWH), then the deity has an incredibly large amount of power to act upon reality.  At least, that's how I see it anyways.”

Read American Gods?

[Machi]

So, do you personally believe in gods Anu and Inanna?

I believe all deities that have had a significant amount of belief energy put toward them by humans have some kind of essence of existence.  Belief and worship imbue deities with the power to act upon reality.  If all believers of a deity die, so too dies the deity.  If believers of the deity abound in number (like God/Allah/YHWH), then the deity has an incredibly large amount of power to act upon reality.  At least, that's how I see it anyways.

God, in the sense of the All Encompassing “force” or “matrix” (or “Indra's Web” or “Web of Life” for instance) is a different matter altogether for me.  That is the fabric of space time, within which all things (deities or lesser beings) must interact.

yes or no?

[PookztA]

Ora  -Can you give more info on alien DNA insert 10,000 years ago?  Just interested.

There are theories out there which suggest that the Anunaki were extra-terrestrials who bred with humans to mix our DNA.  Things commonly quoted regarding this is the Genesis passage with the “Nephilim” (“those who came down” or “those who descended”, also a source of fallen angel theory and much more compatible with the Enochian lore), and also a passage (can't remember where) that states “the sons of God went into the daughters of men” (suggesting Angelic/human carnal relations, or as the theory suggests, ET/human DNA cross-breeding).  More prominently, they are featured in the Babylonian Enuma Elish, the creation story.

Anu was/is a great sky god in the Sumerian pantheon (one of the oldest known pantheons).  The Anunnaki are the children of Anu.  However there are some pagans who embrace this as the oldest source tradition and have no ET connection with all of it.  Many of those pagans embrace an amalgamation of the variations of the goddess Inanna/Ishtar, common in sex magick circles, but also other pagan circles.  It should be noted that a lot of the modern embracing of this ancient lore fuses variations of these deities and characters across a 1000+ year span of history from Sumeria to Assyria (including the Akkadian and Babylonians).  Marduk was not even present in Sumerian history, while he was the main feature by the time the Enuma Elish was put to stone.  This was because he was a king who decided to be written into deification.

Some people on Youtube claim to channel Anu and his kindred while others claim he is an evil ET, and some claim both (why you would channel an evil ET, I don't know…).  There are also stories about Reptilians (aka Draconians) and Zeta Reticuli (aka Greys) as races trying to dominate/confuse humans, while Sirians, Pleidians, Arcturians, and many more (the Galactic Federation, which in some traditions is the name for the Draconians' government) are trying to help us.

Personally, I have trouble believing in ANY of this, except that Anu was a sky god worshipped by the Sumerians, and Inanna was a goddess worshipped by sacred prostitutes in Sumeria.  I don't even believe in evil.  If these are ETs (assuming intelligent ETs in contact with Earth is even valid), it's more likely that there are complicated and just as annoying politics going on in the stars above us as there are down here on Earth.

Just because someone might have better technology, doesn't mean they have better control of their inner shadow selves.  The whole thing about ETs, UFOs, New World Orders (as opposed to Novus Ordo Seclorum), and what-have-yous is that much of it is terribly depressing and that it encourages victim consciousness: “Oh the world is so wrong, so messed up, we're all being dominated… AND one day some nice wonderful people from the stars will come down and save us… one day…”  It's like rapturists who believe the Devil rules the world and one day Jesus will come to wipe the world clean…  Honestly… ::)

My only hope is that “one day” humans might stop looking to someone else for answers and take responsibility for themselves and their own lives without enslaving or depending on others.

Enslaving the human race is so co-dependent…

P.S. On a completely unrelated note, you may remember:
The meaning of life the universe and everything is: 42
The question is: What do you get when you multiply 9 times 6?
While this may seem that “there is something fundamentally wrong with the universe,” you forgot to calculate the math in base 13. 😉

It is one thing for a person to believe in wild theories about extra-terrestrials trying to take over the human race, Ora.

it is a whole different thing to believe that some very wealthy people are trying to secure a One World Government with intentions of thinking that they are helping us all. (especially considering David Rockefeller wrote, in his AUTO-BIOGRAPHY, that he pleads guilty and is PROUD that he is pushing for the formation of a One World Government.)

please do not act like a drone and close your mind off to all things just because they can be labeled with the word Conspiracy Theory, for at this very moment, you sound just as closed-minded as a person that refuses to check out a Psytrance party because they “don't go to raves“.  

yes, many of the theories are bullshit (such as the one that claims that the Reptilian alien race, not humans, are the ones pushing for the One World Government / NWO), and can be ignored, but some of them are very valid and VERY relative to humanity. if it weren't for 'conspiracy theories', project MKULTRA, the CIA's study on human mind control using their own citizens, would never have been uncovered and stopped.

use your critical thinking and don't lump things into giant general categories, please.

nothing pisses me off more than people who i considered intelligent, critical thinkers, NOT looking into things just because they can be lumped into the giant category of “conspiracy theories”.

THE WORLD IS IN TROUBLE BECAUSE OF SOME VERY RICH & POWERFUL MEN (THAT MAY OR MAY NOT THINK THAT THEY ARE DOING A GOOD THING FOR THE WORLD).

IF YOU DO NOT REALIZE IT, THEN LOOK HARDER.

YOU ARE HELPING TO PROLONG THE SUFFERING OF THE WORLD BY TELLING EVERYONE THAT IT IS NORMAL THAT EXTREMELY WEALTHY BANKERS CAN SPEND BILLIONS AND TRILLIONS ON WAR AND POLICY IN PURSUIT OF A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT WHILE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE STARVING TO DEATH.

IT IS NOT NORMAL, AND IT SICKENS ME, and so do threads like this from people that I thought knew better.

“For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure — one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.“

– David Rockefeller, “Memoirs” autobiography (2002, Random House publishers), page 405

i bought a used copy of his auto-biography, Memoirs, for $2 + $3shipping, and when I receive it, i will scan in the page for you all.

…and will someone PLEASE explain to me why the Israeli Supreme Court has the same pyramid that is on our money sitting on top of their building? Surely they didn't choose to model their prestigiously important Supreme Court over the simple yet lovely art work on our American $1 Bill…  

…can someone PLEASE explain this shit to me, or at least try to? I JUST WANT AN EXPLANATION, CAN I PLEASE GET ONE? This symbol was on our $1 bill BEFORE the Supreme Court of Israel was built, so can someone PLEASE explain this to me why they chose to put it on top of their SUPREME COURT? I don't have an explanation, but maybe Ora does?!?!? (this may or may not be related to the One World Goverment thing, but i honestly have no idea and I honestly don't care if it is or isn't related, but I am still going to try to learn more as to how and why it got there.)

Israel Supreme Court (all-seeing-eye pyramid in top left corner)
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Beit_Mishpat_Elyon_min.JPG[/img]

Rothschild family portrait standing around a prototype of the Israeli Supreme Court (see the pyramid?)

Edmond James de Rothschild
from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmond_James_de_Rothschild

Baron Edmond Benjamin James de Rothschild (August 19, 1845 – November 2, 1934) was a French member of the Rothschild banking family. A strong supporter of Zionism, his genorous donations lent significant support to the movement during its early years which helped lead to the establishment of the State of Israel.

Ora, since you seem to be the expert on what 'conspiracy theories' are true and which ones are false, i would love to hear your explanation for all of these 'coincidences' that I have provided for you in picture format.

Is it possible that maybe the Pyramid with the all-seeing-eye is really just a very popular, often used symbol, and that is why it first was put on our $1 bill, and later put on the Israeli Supreme Court?

Is it possible that the Rothschilds, one of the richest families in the world who have a history of being interested in the outcome and political nature of Israel, and who have heavily supported it both financially and politically throughout the years, that perhaps they are just standing around the prototype of the Supreme Court because they liked how it looked and they wanted it in the picture with them, but had no say whatsoever in the planning of it or whether or not the pyramid would be added to the building during its construction?

HOW LIKELY IS IT THAT ALL OF THESE OCCURRENCES HAPPENED OUT OF PURE COINCIDENCE?!?!?!

ISN'T THE INFORMATION, ALL OF WHICH HAS BEEN OBTAINED FROM GOOGLE.COM AND NOT FROM CONSPIRACY WEBSITES, SUSPICIOUS ENOUGH THAT IT WARRANTS FURTHER INVESTIGATION, OR AT THE VERY LEAST, TO NOT BE ATTACKED BY YOUR “oh it's just another one of those conspiracy theories” ATTITUDE?

PLEASE do the world a service and HELP to END VICTIM CONSCIOUSNESS by EXPOSING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE VICTIMIZATION.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!

[PookztA]

Ora,

i am sorry for flipping out, but you have no idea how much it hurts to read that all of my intelligence, judgement, and HOURS UPON HOURS of hard work and effort (reading several sources, comparing them to several sources, cross-comparing those sources to other sources, then comparing all the sources to the point of the theory which I am researching) can simply be dismissed by you as “conspiracy theories”. Yes, some things i have posted are most likely false theories, like the one about the guy that I thought created the AIDS virus, but when it comes to One World Government, well, the information that is out there speaks for itself.

I am thoroughly insulted, Ora, so please keep that in mind the next time you try to discredit the posts that I make without providing any evidence.

I am sorry that I lost my cool.

Goodbye,

-Abe

[Pauldo]

I thought Ora's “victim consciousness” observation was correct.  I do think most global conspiracies do have that sense to them.

Ora -more to come on why I asked you this question.

Abe -more to come on how Jewish persons are so heavily involved in banking. 

[PookztA]

I thought Ora's “victim consciousness” observation was correct.  I do think most global conspiracies do have that sense to them.

sure the realization of the magnitude of the situation can make someone feel like a Victim at first, but once you realize that we are all potential victims that are in it together, and that there is plenty of time and countless opportunities to help stop this from happening, you feel empowered to make a difference, more so than you already did. you feel motivated to do something, to get involved, to pay attention to the bills that are being passed, to cross-check stories that the media tells you with other sources before just buying into them…

Pauldo, honestly, i would like to hear your explanation of the above information and photos that I laid out before I hear anything about Jews and Banking… 

i would like to know how you can explain the information contained in Wikipedia and its relation to the pictures I posted (without involving the pursuit of a One World Government), if possible. Someone should be able to come up with some theories to explain the coincidences I just posted, other than the One World Government theory, if in fact it is merely a false conspiracy theory.

[Pauldo]

Sure…

Pyramids have been built in Egypt, Central America and China, all without knowledge of each other.  It's not unusual for separate groups of people to come up with the same ideas and structures.  One possible explanation.

Is it the all seeing eye on top of the pyramid?  I zoomed in on the pic as much as I could and searched for any more pics of it.  It's not conclusive to me that it's an eye.  I would need to see a better pic. 

Is the all seeing eye a Free Mason symbol?  Our currency design supposedly had Free Mason influence/symbolism?  If so then it wouldn't be a stretch to see the same symbol be used again.

From this wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_Israel

…it says the building was built with “…the symbolism of the ages”.  Also, “The Pyramid was inspired by the Tomb of Zechariah and Tomb of Absalom in the Kidron Valley in Jerusalem.[5] Natural light enters round windows at the apex of the pyramid, forming circles of sunlight on the inside walls and on the floor.”

As far as the Rothschilds taking a picture with a model of the building…  They paid for the building so I'm not surprised they would have a memento of it out of pride.

Rockfeller…he openly admits he's for one world gov.  He's entitled to his opinion.  Can he succeed in doing so?  What other proof is there that anyone is pursuing this agenda by illegal means?  I can def agree that there has to be a better system of banking and economics for the world.  Malicious intentional conspiracy…I'm not sold. 

[PookztA]

Sure…

Pyramids have been built in Egypt, Central America and China, all without knowledge of each other.  It's not unusual for separate groups of people to come up with the same ideas and structures.  One possible explanation.

Is it the all seeing eye on top of the pyramid?  I zoomed in on the pic as much as I could and searched for any more pics of it.  It's not conclusive to me that it's an eye.  I would need to see a better pic.  

Is the all seeing eye a Free Mason symbol?  Our currency design supposedly had Free Mason influence/symbolism?  If so then it wouldn't be a stretch to see the same symbol be used again.

From this wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_Israel

…it says the building was built with “…the symbolism of the ages”.  Also, “The Pyramid was inspired by the Tomb of Zechariah and Tomb of Absalom in the Kidron Valley in Jerusalem.[5] Natural light enters round windows at the apex of the pyramid, forming circles of sunlight on the inside walls and on the floor.”

As far as the Rothschilds taking a picture with a model of the building…  They paid for the building so I'm not surprised they would have a memento of it out of pride.

Rockfeller…he openly admits he's for one world gov.  He's entitled to his opinion.  Can he succeed in doing so?  What other proof is there that anyone is pursuing this agenda by illegal means?  I can def agree that there has to be a better system of banking and economics for the world.  Malicious intentional conspiracy…I'm not sold.  

you didn't address a few things:

1. and what is your proposed explanation for why Edmond Rothschild, the strong Zionist that helped fund the creation of the State of Israel? and how that fits into this?

2. what is the likeliness (estimate) that all these factors would come about and still be unrelated (i.e. what are the odds that this all these things happening are just a coincidence, and not due to conspiracy / planning by the the Rothschild family)?

3. why is it that because you see these things being linked through Free Masonry, that for some reason they make the conspiracy less likely?

4. regardless of what the symbol means, why is it on our money, as well as on the pyramid (assuming it is the same symbol of course)?

I find it rather obvious that these people who are very out of touch with the world due to their enormous loads of wealth, think that they are doing a good thing by pushing for a One World Government, with the intention of equalizing the world's resources for those people 'below' them. What they fail to grasp, is that they are hurting countless people in the process, just as Hitler hurt countless people during his process of trying to help the world. Super-Rich and Super-Powerful people are often out of touch with the classes below them, and do not need to push their agendas on the world.

[Pauldo]

1. The Rothschilds are of Jewish ancestry and wealthy so why wouldn't they help Israel and pay for a new supreme court building?

2.  It is related, they are of Jewish ancestry.

3.  I don't think they are related by free masonry.  I was offering it as just a possibility.  I don't think the pyramid has an eye at all:

“Natural light enters round windows at the apex of the pyramid, forming circles of sunlight on the inside walls and on the floor.”

Very much agree with the wealthy and powerful being out of touch.

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