[Nameless One]

My previous reply was in response to someone that said “I don't consider youtube videos evidence” or something, which is a common excuse from people that are being closed-minded to the fact that YouTube is one of the easiest ways to upload videos and host them on the internet for free these days.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Youtube videos don't qualify, though there is an outside possibility that they might alert us to things that demand greater investigation. What is so hard for you to understand about this concept?

Obviously if some dude living in an apartment building is futzing around with all kinds of gadgets there is likely to be police reports, investigation by government officials, etc. Did these organizations find anything substantial though? Where are Hutchinson's patents and what products have these “large Asian corporations” brought to market in 30 years? Where are the scientific papers explaining the effect? Where are the reliable, verifiable, repeatable experiments? If some old coot in an apartment block can slap this together anyone can… and since no one has, and all ya got is a bunch of videotapes and the sworn affidavit of someone whose sanity and mental well-being we are justified in questioning, well–you got nothing!

This isn't close-mindedness… and I would really appreciate if you abandoned your usual rhetorical tactics of character assassination; it advances your argument not at all.

I am not merely suggesting that “this is just a hoax and no one should buy it” but that there are many warning signs that this is pseudoscientific rubbish and that I find nothing particularly compelling about the sparse evidence for the effect. Mostly I've just been calling for something other than easily faked videos and emphatic testimony. I'm also highlighting the fact that if this hasn't moved out of the realm of fringe science in 30 years of dicking around then it isn't likely to be anything other than it seems: wing-nut conspiracy crap for the Art Bell and Alex Jones demographic.

BTW here is a bit more about the videos:
http://socialtech.ca/ade/index.php/2005/05/the-discovery-channel-is-bogus-2/
http://socialtech.ca/ade/index.php/2005/06/more-on-hutchison/

Read this (from the 2nd post, which responds to a passionate Hutchinson effect advocate much like yourself):

I am not familiar with all of the so-called Hutchison Effects, so I will limit my criticism to his claims that he is able to inexplicably overcome gravity and levitate objects. This is a clear case of pseudoscience – false claims that do not comply with the scientific method. His levitation “experiments” have these characteristics of pseudoscience:

– They contradict experimentally established results
– They fail to provide an experimental possibility of reproducible results
– They violate Occam’s Razor

I think an explanation of these three characteristics would be interesting to many of my readers. First, his “levitation” contradicts experimentally established results. In fact, his claims to be able to levitate objects run counter to a vast body of theories and evidence, like Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity (which deals with gravity among other things) and the enormous number of experiments that have verified this theory.

Second, his levitation “experiments” fail to provide reproducible results. An experiment should be reproducible, that is, you should be able to tell someone else what to do to get the same results you got. That’s why real scientists document every step of an experiment, so that other scientists can try it themselves to see that it works or doesn’t work. Hutchison doesn’t do that, maybe because instructing someone to tie a string to an object and jerk it around is a little embarrassing.

The third characteristic is a really damning criticism of Hutchison’s levitation claims, which is that they violate Occam’s Razor, the principle that when “multiple explanations are available for a phenomenon, the simplest version is preferred”. When looking at Hutchison’s levitation claims, we are faced with two possibilities: 1) that Einstein was wrong and our conception of space, time and gravity is thus completely incorrect, in spite of the fact that this theory accurately describes the motion of the planets, has been verified in thousands of experiments and has led to inventions like the atom bomb, or 2) that an eccentric fraud is dangling some objects from a string and claiming levitation or otherwise deceiving people.

Einstein produced theories (subsequently verified by experiments), Hutchison produces videotapes. Whether or not he deceives people using string, magnets or some other mechanism is irrelevant. I have seen videotape that looked entirely real of a man capable of flying from building to building because he shoots a sticky web from his hands, but that doesn’t mean I think Spiderman really exists. David Copperfield is able to make a 747 vanish in front of crowds of people, but no one believes it’s anything more than large-scale sleight-of-hand.

Hutchison’s levitation claims don’t even stand up to common sense. If he could levitate objects in the 1970s, where are the inventions today that are based on his inventions? The invention of jet engines quickly led to jet aircraft, why hasn’t the invention of levitation led to levitation aircraft? Aren’t the applications of such an invention obvious?

What’s interesting to me about your impassioned defense of Hutchison is that you care so much. There are scientific theories and experiments that are even more remarkable than what Hutchison claims to be able to do that are genuine (for instance, the relative nature of time, knowledge that Einstein, once again, brought us) but I doubt that you feel as passionate about these theories as you do about Hutchison’s claims or probably many other pseudoscientific claims.

I think this is because pseudoscience is much like religion: it satisfies people’s desires for the unexplainable, the mysterious, the supernatural. If objects can levitate, perhaps we can levitate ourselves and fly – perhaps we can invent a time machine – perhaps there are aliens among us. When real science comes along to debunk these claims, the believers in pseudoscience react emotionally, not rationally, because these criticisms strike at that inner desire to believe in “something more”. Or perhaps just because they realize that they just don’t stand up to rational criticism.

[PookztA]

i don't have time for this. i have a strong feeling you haven't even watched the documentary anyway, so I really don't care what you have to say Basilisk. If you had watched the documentary, you would be addressing it, but instead, you are playing the same old games.

So I will play them as well:

John Hutchison & The Hutchison Effect (Documentary | 68mins): http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5866006842090712676

John Hutchison has submitted a sworn affidavit for the courts, which in effect means that if he is lying, he could potentially go to prison.

see the official affadavit here (I got it from his website): http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2469003/AffJHutch.pdf

My previous reply was in response to someone that said “I don't consider youtube videos evidence” or something, which is a common excuse from people that are being closed-minded to the fact that YouTube is one of the easiest ways to upload videos and host them on the internet for free these days.

I think I have put forth enough evidence to show that this is not merely a hoax, but a poorly understood phenomenon:

The U.S. Military, including Lockheed Martin and Los Alamos Laboratories, have spent much time and money on their interest in this phenomenon, they have confiscated his equipment to investigate it, the Canadian Ministry of Defense has thoroughly investigated his work declaring it an issue of National Security, neighbors have called him in because objects have moved and levitated in their houses and apartments, his work has been researched and filmed by independent scientific research teams, by TechTV, FOX News, LightWorksAV, American Anti-Gravity, and many more groups, that see validity in his work and have been convinced by viewing his experiments first hand. Mr. Hutchison has been hired by large Asian corporations to help them develop energy technology including crystal batteries based on what he has learned doing his experiments, and most importantly, Mr. Hutchison has put an affadavit on file with the courts to present his evidence as valid and real so that if he is ever found to be lying then he will go to prison as a result…

Boyd Bushman, a Senior Scientist of Lockheed Martin, on The Hutchison Effect:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57ZKTA7nx8U

Boyd Bushman, a Senior Scientist of Lockheed Martin, on Anti-Gravity Technology:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeNesaRUoJo

Colonel Tom Bearden on Military Energy Weapon Technology (1985) similar to The Hutchison Effect:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MovpYUD7fTY

…all those things and more suggest to me that at the very least, this could very well be real, and most likely is, but has never been thoroughly researched by any scientific body other than the militaries which are keeping what they know about this under wraps. It doesn't prove it as real, but it certainly shows that this is not just a hoax. Even if you don't consider the proof conclusive, it still seems far more likely to be real than a hoax based on all the things mentioned above…

…and for you Basilisk, to continue your “I can disprove anything” attitude in the face of all this evidence makes you look beyond skeptical, it makes you look closed-minded and somewhat immature in my opinion. For example, saying that Mr. Hutchison's Affadavit is “irrelevant nonsense“, even though it states that Mr. Hutchison has legally testified to the legitimacy of his experiments in a way that would result in imprisonment and fines if he was found to be lying, is just mind-blowing. I didn't know you were this kind of person. This is not “irrelevant nonsense”…

It's one thing to summarize and say “this very well could be real, but I just don't see enough proof to be convinced on a personal level”, but instead, your posts have taken a much more conclusive tone, suggesting that “this is just a hoax and no one should buy it”.

It's seriously disappointing to think how many people look up to your style of unscientific logic, that rejects important evidence rather than take it into consideration.

Just my 2 cents.

By the way, I am in the process of obtaining some of Mr. Hutchison's most recent videos, so I will share them with you all once I obtain them.

From Mr. Hutchison's Affadavit wrote:

Province of British Columbia  )
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City of New Westminster )

JOHN HUTCHISON, being duly sworn deposes and says, I am of
full age and legal capacity and am fully familiar with the facts
and circumstances set forth herein.

1. I make this affidavit in support of the contentions of Dr.
Judy Wood, plaintiff in the above-referenced matter.

2. I am familiar with the claims made by Dr. Wood in her
complaint in this matter as well as with the broader factual and
scientific underpinnings of her claims.  As a result of the2 of 31
opportunity to familiarize myself with the content of Dr. Wood’s
assertions, via research and via meetings with her, I here assert
that information she has amassed and set forth in detail in her
affidavit and in her complaint confirm her assertion that directed
energy weapons were a causal factor in the destruction on 11
September 2001 (9/11) of the World Trade Center complex (WTC) in
New York, NY.

3. The foregoing declaration is based on my background and
experience as an experimental scientist, having knowledge,
expertise and inventorship capacity with respect to devices and
processes that are in the nature of directed energy.  See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hutchison

4. In summary, and as noted in the referenced Wikipedia
article, in the year 1979, I discovered a number of unusual
phenomena, while seeking to duplicate experiments done by Nikola
Tesla.  The phenomena have been named “the Hutchison effect” and
they include:
a. levitation of heavy objects. Material;
b. the spontaneous fracturing of metals;
c. changes in the crystalline structure and physical
properties of metals;
d. fusion of dissimilar materials such as metal and wood,
while lacking any displacement;3 of 31
e. the anomalous heating of metals without burning adjacent
material;
f. disappearance of metal samples.

5. Upon examination of the destructive effects done to the
WTC on 9/11, as documented by Dr. Wood and as reviewed by me, I
can and do assert that the WTC was destroyed by devices that are
scaled up, refined and/or weaponized versions of the effects that
I named the “Hutchison effect.” Some of the evidence which
illustrates this is pictured in Table 1.

6. In the years from and after 1979, many members of the
so-called and aptly named Military-industrial-complex (MIC), have
visited my lab, corresponded with me and/or in a variety of other
respects observed my work and my inventions.

7. At the end of this document, Figure 4 and Figure 5 are
examples of correspondence I have received from these individuals
or organizations.

8. My work has been classified as a matter of National
Security by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (see
Figure 2).

9. In the course of my research, I have come across many
effects, some of which are described below.4 of 31

10. Holes are found to appear in glass – and commonly a
white outer layer of material forms.

11. I have witnessed slow fusing/melting together of rubber
and steel samples.

12. I have witnessed effects on aluminum blocks, which have
turned to dust or, white powder has shot out and later settled on
some of the samples.

13. I have witnessed the tops of steel bars turn to dust and
white powders as well as chrome plating being “blown off” other
samples.

14. At various times since 1980, I have witnessed anomalous
effects of foaming water in some experiments.

15. I have other samples of dissimilar materials, such as
wood and metal, that have fused together during experiments.

16. I have also witnessed dissimilar materials fusing
together into “globs”.

17. I have witnessed, in about 80% of cases, the effects of
lift and ballistic lifts, sometimes to an unknown height or
movement to an unknown distance. These lift effects have been
seen to occur with objects of only a few grams (ounces) in weight
to approximately 750 kg (1500 lbs).5 of 31

18. I assert that the total energy input to my set of test
equipment has been between 75 watts and 4000 watts (4kw), at 110
volts, depending on the equipment and the test being done.

19. I assert that my experiments and results have been
reported on CTV (Canadian Television) news and by Government
personnel.

20. Many of my experiments have caused effects at a distance
– such as levitation of objects, vibration of objects and other
effects.

21. On some occasions, effects have been seen at around 300
feet away from the main area of experimentation, one such case
being in Dec 2007 when plumbing on the ground floor of the
building my experiments were being performed in failed and caused
minor flooding and that part of the building had to be evacuated.

22. In 1979, Mark Murphy and another individual, Mr. Murphy
of Canadian Pacific Air, lived in the same building as my lab at
1458 East 29 Street, Lynn Valley, North Vancouver and they
witnessed levitations of and effects on samples.

23. During 1980 Bill Ross (a civilian) and Mel Winfield (of
Vancouver) also visited my lab at 1458 East 29 Street and they
observed and took photos of levitations. These photos were later
published in Dr. Winfield’s book “The Science of Actuality”.6 of 31

24. I assert that CBC news reported on my experiments during
this time.

25. In 1981, Philip Deldebbio of Brewster New York, owner of
the Hipotronics company, along with his secretary witnessed steel
turn into dust and they handled the samples.

26. Also in 1981, George Hathaway and Alex Pezarro caught
some of these events on 8 mm film.

27. IBM engineers, including Brian Borrodale visited me and
observed my experiments, and later a Mrs. Murphy (wife of Mr.
Murphy) of the Alex Pezarro’s Washington State group also visited
and observed results.

28. I assert that members of an organization called the San
Diego Laser Group visited me in approximately 1981 and saw the
results of experiments.

29. I assert that also in 1981 I witnessed a persistent
white fog effect in some experiments and this has appeared in
subsequent experiments in 1984 and 1985.

30. In about 1982, Alex Pezarro had a meeting in Washington
D.C. with generals and I was told they wanted to go directly to
Ronald Reagan to discuss setting up a research project, but it
was decided at that time to ask another team to do further
investigation.

[Nameless One]

That's all you've got? More cut 'n paste? I don't care how many times you repeat yourself, just because a FOX News crew is interested in your fringe science project does not mean you've overturned the laws of physics and discovered anti-gravity technology.

[PookztA]

…just because a FOX News crew is interested in your fringe science project does not mean you've overturned the laws of physics and discovered anti-gravity technology.

Did you even watch the documentary? If so, why not answer me when I ask you if you did? It's a yes or no question…

It wasn't just FOX News showing interest, it was the Canadian Government, the United States Government, Los Alamos National Laboratories, Lockheed Martin Defense Contractor, Colonel Tom Bearden, Colonel John B. Alexander, Boyd Bushmann, Dr. Judy Wood, Dr. Tracy Postert, TechTV, LightworksAV, major Asian energy corporations, and many others in addition to FOX News.

John Hutchison and his work is very real in my opinion, and evidence suggests the reality of the technology is being covered up because the military has weaponized it and wants to keep their weapon secret. There is more info about this in the free .pdf book I sent you.

I respectfully disagree, because I think The Hutchison Effect is real.

Peace to you Basilisk,

-Abe

[conspiratheorist]

“Hutchison Effect” has been claimed for years, without any independent verification – ever. In fact, its originator can't even replicate it on demand. This has been investigated more than once, been part of documentaries on The Discovery Channel, but still never seems to pass critical muster. This is in the category of folklore. In general, the “American Antigravity” web site caters to such folklore and its enthusiasts.
-Marc G. Millis (NASA)

[Machi]

on the side note regarding this and other threads that are mostly locked:

I really wonder how many of you here suggesting Abe has mental problems would actually have balls to confront the guy about all this stuff in real life and could say same things straight in his face (something to remember when posting stuff online)

[aktif]

on the side note regarding this and other threads that are mostly locked:

I really wonder how many of you here suggesting Abe has mental problems would actually have balls to confront the guy about all this stuff in real life and could say same things straight in his face (something to remember when posting stuff online)

Anytime!

[conspiratheorist]

Hi Machi,

You know Pookzta personally , thats fine.

I had a superclose friend who turned against us all if we didnt agree with him.

Try to think for yourself about the claims he is making.

He is stating the said events in NYC DID NOT HAPPEN (There were no planes). He said a million other absurd things. If you agree or neutral, he is still your friend. If you try to rationalise, he will try to convince you he is right and keep milking and beating a deadhorse.

NO one is saying Pook is bad or need balls to meet him.

I'm sure his is great guy but spreading WRONG propaganda.

He is promoted to JREF's hall of fame of trolls. (a forum for critical thinking and giving $1.1 million prize for someone proving non sensical claims)

If you try to challenge him, I am sure he will first try to convince you and then go against you.

Cheers

[Pauldo]

on the side note regarding this and other threads that are mostly locked:

I really wonder how many of you here suggesting Abe has mental problems would actually have balls to confront the guy about all this stuff in real life and could say same things straight in his face (something to remember when posting stuff online)

done it! 

[damon]

Kinda sad this whole music-orientated forum is almost dead beside “non-music” section.

[edais]

Eh.  I can only talk about psytrance for so long.

[Pauldo]

Kinda sad this whole music-orientated forum is almost dead beside “non-music” section.

Your mom is kinda sad.

[esmokah]

i bet it's an electro-magnetic magic trick.

[damon]

Eh.  I can only talk about psytrance for so long.

Then let's fuckin' delete everything besides “current events” shit.

[damon]

Your mom is kinda sad.

FYI: yours is uber happy lately  8)

[Author]

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